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To: VadeRetro
"2) "Macroevolution" is in fact an arbitrary distinction, defined all over the place depending upon to whom one is talking. Thus, it is like the legal age of majority, a legalistic categorization imposed by a beholder.

A lie. I posted to you what macro-evolution is. I posted the reasons and the distinctions. I posted the sharp dividing lines. You and your friends ignore and continue to lie without even trying to refute my statement on what macro-evolution is. And yes, speciation is not changing the mating call. That is totally absurd and you guys should be totally ashamed to state that and to defend it.

However, so that you cannot repeat the above lie again, I hereby post again the clear and distinct differences between micro-evolution and macro-evolution.

MACROEVOLUTION

Evolutionists have been trying since Darwin to confuse micro-evolution and macro-evolution. No one disagrees with micro-evolution - the small changes that species make to adapt to their environment. However, the meat of the theory of evolution is not small changes. Indeed, they should not even be called changes at all, they should be called transformations. The theory of evolution posits that step by step through the millenia since life began, species have been transforming themselves into new species each one more complex in their organisms than the previous ones. They posit that fish developed legs and started walking on earth. They posit that reptiles grew wings and became birds. They posit that reptiles again grew mammary glands, became live bearing, and turned themselves into mammals. These transformations by small adaptations were very questionable even when first made. However, genetics and specifically the discovery of DNA has made them quite impossible. Adaptations can occur by single point mutations in a gene. Transformations require not just a totally new gene, but many new genes to be created to support those transformations. The impossibility of this happening by random mutations (and there can be no selection in the creation of a gene since there is no function until the gene is completed) is astronomical. The possibility of thousands of new genes being created for the millions of species living and dead is a total impossibility.

Speciation while a prerequisite to such transformations is not proof of macro-evolution. A species (especially with the loose terminology of evolutionists) can arise (according to evos) by merely being geographically isolated from the rest of the group (guess Robinson Crusoe was not a man anymore because he ended up in a deserted island), it can also (according to the evos) become a new species just because the bird-songs it sings are not recognized for mating by other individuals having all the same characteristics. The classic definition of speciation is the ability to mate and produce offspring. This however is not sufficient because the two species can still have essentially the same characteristics and still not be able to produce offspring with each other. In other words they will still be birds, they will still be fruit flies, they will still be fish. They can be the same in all essential characteristics and still not be able to produce progeny. This is still micro-evolution because the species, neither one, has acquired any new faculties, and has not become more complex in any way.

So to sum up. Macro-evolution is a transformation requiring new genes, more complexity and new faculties. In terms of genetics, it requires at a minimum the creation of more than one new gene. In terms of taxonomy it would require an organism to change into a different genus.

1,175 posted on 03/21/2002 4:24:45 PM PST by gore3000
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To: gore3000
Is the enlargement of the genome supposedly the barrier? You could be the first creationist in the history of the world to know even one mechanism for enlarging the genome, if you could listen. I and others have been trying to tell you for a year.

I noticed Junior trying to tell you earlier on this very thread.

What did he say?

1,181 posted on 03/21/2002 5:05:29 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: gore3000
Macro-evolution is a transformation requiring new genes, more complexity and new faculties.

Are you trying to claim this as a real-world barrier? What is the gore3000 definition of macroevolution? How much new complexity? How many new genes? What sort of new faculties?

1,182 posted on 03/21/2002 5:08:32 PM PST by VadeRetro
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