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1 posted on 03/13/2002 4:47:26 AM PST by JediGirl
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I'm a scientist-in-training (chemistry) and a Creationist. But not all the standard Creationist arguments hold water, even though they are propegated by sometimes well-meaning, sometimes malicious Creation Scientists.

The Second law of thermodynamics is the best example of an argument that sounds brilliant to those who know nothing of physics. Those of us with any significent intensive training, though, can plainly see the errors of that argument.

Other arguments, however, are substantial, most notably the argument by design. These are difficult, if not impossible to refute.

Christians are poorly served when they misrepresent scientific facts. This is why a completely above-the-board approach is vital to the message of Christianity.

--TJM

522 posted on 03/16/2002 8:55:42 AM PST by jude24
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Something to think about?

BIG BANG or CREATED?

524 posted on 03/16/2002 9:02:06 AM PST by stlrocket
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To me, the obvious paragon pseudoscience is the notion that the complexity of DNA could just "happen" or make itself.

The monkey and typewriter probabilities have been posted elsewhere. But it's plainly logical . . . even if the first letter of a word occurred, and by some probability the 2nd and 3rd given great time lengths. . . by the time we got to the last letter of even a moderate sentence, chance would have reigned again--probably much earlier in the sentence. . . considering the time of the universe as near as it can be guessed at--about all the skill and data we REALLY HAVE would allow--a guess of unknown reliability--anyway--by the time we compare the age of the universe with the time required for a very minimal construction of a very basic sensible sequence of a fraction of the complexity of DNA--well, there's just not been remotely that much time.

Go ahead and title creationism pseudoscience if you will. As Huxley said 'We killed God off so we could screw like bunnies.'

Paraphrased

I used to allow that probably Creation and evolution had a measure of compatible overlap. Then I realized that regardless of the questionability of Creationist arguments--the science is just not there for evolution.

Evolution is the mindless religion policed by the narrow gestapo of the publish or perish nazis.

Alas, the ET's or purported ET's will seem to prove that ET's seeded our earth with their genetically designed species--and/or modified, hybridized and what not species. That too will be a trainload of crocks regardless of their 'holographic proofs' from 'history'. But at least it's MORE plausible than evolution.

528 posted on 03/16/2002 9:58:52 AM PST by Quix
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Evolutionary Bump.
693 posted on 03/19/2002 10:05:28 AM PST by DoctorMichael
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Be careful, JediGirl...

The religious fanatics have a real problem with facts that contradict their preconceived opinions... A relevant quote you might not have seen before...

"The beauty of religious mania is that it has the power to explain everything. Once God (or Satan) is accepted as the first cause of everything which happens in the mortal world, nothing is left to chance... Or change. Once such incantatory phrases as "we see now through a looking glass darkly" and "mysterious are the ways in which He chooses His wonders to perform" are mastered, logic can be happily tossed out the window. Religious mania is one of the few infallible ways of responding to the world's vagaries, because it totally eliminates pure accident. To the true religious fanatic, it's all on purpose."
---Stephen King

Of course, the religious zealots will immediately attack King as a "horror-writer" or impugn his character, but it's a funny thing- they never try to debate the points he made...

FReegards,

848 posted on 03/20/2002 10:02:33 AM PST by Capitalist Eric
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You started this thread. As penance, you have to read each reply.
1,342 posted on 03/22/2002 9:59:49 AM PST by Doctor Stochastic
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Would the person that asked me the question re: brain size vs. intellegnece please reply...I have lost the original post #, but have a site that might answer your question.
Thanx
Oldcats
1,640 posted on 03/24/2002 7:31:17 AM PST by oldcats
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You go girl. Carry the torch of evolution. It will look great on your tombstone. "Here lies JediGirl. Faithful wife, mother and believer in Evolution."
2,032 posted on 03/26/2002 9:33:26 AM PST by iranger
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