Posted on 03/13/2002 4:47:26 AM PST by JediGirl
and you spread the brain virus you have through the neigborhood--society!
I refuted that statement to you some 500 posts back. Here's the answer again since it seems you have forgotten it:
However, there is a problem with it. When we mapped the human genome, two companies did it. Only 1/5 of the genes they identified were the same. I am not sure that the chimp genome has been studied even better than man. So first of all, I am very suspicious of that statement. Secondly, that would be an example of devolution - making a species less fit. Mutations seem to do that. Thirdly, I do not know how large that gene is, but if is like most genes 500 or some base pairs long, that one mutation made it unworkable in both man and chimp is not to be wondered at. It is a slim chance, but not an impossible coincidence
What you're attempting here is not a refutation, it's more like an attempt to show that your doubt is somewhat reasonable. I'm accepting the basic result until someone actually refutes it, eg by showing that the inability to make ascorbic acid is caused by a *different* mutation in the different species (which is the case between people, etc and guinea pigs, the only other mammal that needs ascorbic acid). That stuff about the genome projects, and the sequencing of chimpanzee genes is irrelevent to the claim I'm making;
A quotation from this biochemistry lecture
Humans, chimps, gorillas, orangutans, bonobos (the "great apes") share certain genetic diseases. For example, all of the great apes have the same defect in a gene for an enzyme necessary to make vitamin C. Thus, all need to get vitamin C from plants in their diet. Monkeys ("lesser apes") don't have this disease. Thus, this mutation occurred in a common ancestor of the great apes after diverging from monkeys, but, prior to diverging into the different species of great apes.
Thus, even if the same mutation independently occured in people and chimps, you have to find a way to explain away the *fact* that it occurs in the other great apes. That's five species, so the probability has to be raised to the fifth power. Finally, it's not just this one mutation that we have in common with the other great apes (and no other known species.)
Are you seriously claiming this is all coincidence? That the alleged Designer just happened to create genomes that are consistent with the evolution of primates that was deduced from anatomy before DNA was even discovered?
The reasoning employed here is exactly the same as that used to find the original text of ancient manuscripts and to deduce which ones are copies of others, the scribes introducing "mutations" into texts that are then copied by other scribes.
Oh, BTW, what about the whale's birth defect; where *did* the genes for legs come from? Why are they there but usually suppressed?
An f.Christian back to you!!
On the other side, we have a few brave souls trying to explain that reality DOES exist, it IS knowable, that evolution DOES have a huge foundation of easily verifyable evidence, that it DOES hang together rationally, and that although it seems to contradict scripture -- the principle objection, I fear -- it won't be the first time this has happened (thus the many references to Galileo and the solar system and the shape of the earth).
So where do we go from here? It's like Galileo offering the churchmen the opportunity to look through his telescope to see for themselves the moons of Jupiter, while they would refuse because they could not deal with the consequences.
This thread, like all of its kind that have gone before, is going nowhere because we have two clearly self-defined camps: those who understand and practice reason, and those who sling the vocabulary around when it suits them, but who either don't understand reason or who do understand it but repudiate it in favor of mysticism. And neither camp will change, so here we are.
173 Posted on 11/28/1999 04:45:37 PST by PatrickHenry
2204 posted on 3/27/02 5:08 AM Hawaii-Aleutian by PatrickHenry
OK---over here...
These are the lies you are being spoon fed(baby)!
This is a scam---"con" artistry---"evolution"!
2256 posted on 3/27/02 11:47 AM Hawaii-Aleutian by f.Christian
The powers of deception are beyond individual comprehension when it comes to the big--big--lies like of evolution.
You should at least take some time--thought--advice to consider it!
And you should consider intense psychotherapy to repair the seemingly irrevocable damage done to your brain by years of speaking gibberish. There is hope.
What lies do you speak of? I understand and agree with his post (except I did change from the Creationist camp..)
Which one does Jack Chick draw for? I forget.
Liberals/libertarians--Evolution is a religion/cult founded upon 'quicksand' to make people(monsters) comfortable about their 'eating' habits---tastes and insuring themselves a steady food supply---after they plug-mess up the watering hole(TRUTH)!
I made the same diagnosis a few months ago.
Hmmm... Great minds and all that whatnot?
Nah-- prolly the work of the devil--evos(Satan) knocking on your door/mind--window to your soul!
Wonder if we can find a few generous Freepers to kick in for some meds and therapy. It's got to be treatable, right?
...evolution/sin sickness!
...evolution/sin sickness!
ps...Worry about your own soul-mind-self!
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