Posted on 03/13/2002 4:47:26 AM PST by JediGirl
But after three years, the Creationists have done nothing but insult my intelligence and have totally failed to support their arguments.
Just like Liberals, you eventually must question why they must use distortions, selective facts, or out right lies to support their position.
God created the Universe, and science is a quest to understand how it was done. To study science, is to study God, and I never could understand why this seems to be so difficult to comprehend.
wisdom (wîz´dem) noun
1. Understanding of what is true, right, or lasting; insight: "One cannot have wisdom without living life" (Dorothy McCall).
2. Common sense; good judgment: "It is a characteristic of wisdom not to do desperate things" (Henry David Thoreau).
3. a. The sum of scholarly learning through the ages; knowledge: "In those homely sayings was couched the collective wisdom of generations" (Maya Angelou). b. Wise teachings of the ancient sages.
4. A wise outlook, plan, or course of action.
5. Wisdom. Bible. Wisdom of Solomon.
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The Greek word (translated "wisdom") is: sofia:
sofia - wisdom, insight, intelligence
sofo - wise, experienced
In the context of the original quotation, it particularly means the wisdom of the learned and politically dominant classes.
The Greek word translated "understanding" is sunesi.
sunesi - understanding, insight
suneto - intelligent, possessing understanding
The amplified version may help your understanding of the Greek word that is translated "wisdom." The word used in I Cor 1:19 has the more traditional sense of the word, meaning "intelligence" or "cleverness."
For it is written, I will baffle and render useless and destroy the learning of the learned and the philosophy of the philosophers and the cleverness of the clever and the discernment of the discerning; I will frustrate and nullify [them] and bring [them] to nothing.
I sincerely hope this help you to understand what I intended in my earlier post.
Thanks,
Russ
So dear friend, why does the Creationist side of the debate rely upon half-truths, selective facts, or down right lied to support thier side?
I don't think that's true. What's true is that equal amounts of both left- and right-handed amino acids are produced in these experiments. But presumably one could have either left- or right-handed proteins. Why one predominates in living things isn't yet explained.
01: Site that debunks virtually all of creationism's fallacies. Excellent resource.
02: Creation "Science" Debunked.
03: Creationi sm and Pseudo Science. Familiar cartoon then lots of links.
04: The SKEPTIC annotated bibliography. Amazingly great meta-site!
05: The Evidence for Human Evolution. For the "no evidence" crowd.
06: Massive mega-site with thousands of links on evolution, creationism, young earth, etc..
07: Another amazing site full of links debunking creationism.
08: Creationism and Pseudo Science. Great cartoon!
09: Glenn R. Morton's site about creationism's fallacies. Another jennyp contribution.
11: Is Evolution Science?. Successful PREDICTIONS of evolution (Moonman62).
12: Five Major Misconceptions about Evolution. On point and well-written.
13: Frequently Asked But Never Answered Questions. A creationist nightmare!
14: DARWIN, FULL TEXT OF HIS WRITINGS. The original ee-voe-lou-shunist.
The foregoing was just a tiny sample. So that everyone will have access to the accumulated "Creationism vs. Evolution" threads which have previously appeared on FreeRepublic, plus links to hundreds of sites with a vast amount of information on this topic, here's Junior's massive work, available for all to review:
The Ultimate Creation vs. Evolution Resource [ver 16].
Picture that for a minute.
Pilate asking the Creator of the Universe: "What is truth?"
Maybe Jesus did not answer, maybe He did. It is not recorded. But what are Pilate's next recorded words?
"I find in Him no fault."
I say: God's Word is True.
Amen?
Well put. Here's something on this issue which I posted about a month ago:
If scripture is properly understood -- not an easy task -- it doesn't contradict science at all. The trick is knowing when scripture is to be understood literally, and when it's speaking in metaphor.No one, not even the most strident fundamentalist, takes the numerous passages about "the four corners of the earth" and the "pillars of the earth" as being literally true. Why? Because we know the shape of the earth. Similarly, since Galileo's unfortunate encounter with the Inquisition over the solar system, probably even the most stubborn fundamentalist will agree with Galileo that the solar system is real, and those passages in scripture which seem to say that the earth is the unmoveable center of the universe are mere poetry. Why? Again, it's because we know enough now to realize that the solar system -- although "only a theory" -- is a very good description of reality.
The point here is that our growing understanding -- through science -- of the true nature of the universe is actually an aid to understanding scripture. The scientist, quite without realizing it, and sometimes in spite of his lack of religious conviction, is providing a kind of "reader's guide" to help us have a better understanding of scripture. Actually, the universe itself is the "reader's guide" but it's the scientist who discovers the nature of the universe. Thus, when understood in the light of science, scripture can be properly read, old misunderstandings can be corrected, and there is no conflict. Without science, we have no way of knowing if our reading of scripture is correct.
Be very carefull my friend in who you listen to. As Ronald Reagan once said: "Trust but Verify!"
The problem is how to expose a liar in our efforts to seek the truth. Personally, I will drop a rock on my foot to see if the theory of gravity was some scientific lie.
Ouch!
Or do someting like I am doing with my own telescopes. Build a spectrocope and explore the stars on my own. If the text books are wrong, then I will be the first to expose them for being liars.
There is a very real danger in relying upon a single book for your understanding of God. Be very carefull my friend, for Satan is always helping people to interpret that book in ways that will decieve you.
Not that the Bible is wrong, but how people interpret the wisdom expressed can, has, and will be distorted.
Sometimes a simple reality check is helpfull.
Well, except for 3 facts:
DISCLAIMER: I've lately been assured by the world's foremost authority that I don't know what I'm talking about. (Gee, I hope I'm saying what I think I'm saying here.)
Nobody is sure why, but it is probably simular to the matter/anti-matter difference.
Both can be created in equal amounts, but for some reason, one is prefered over the other.
Further, I don't know what point you are making with respect to science vs. creationism. Is the quote that "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent" intended to bolster an argument that the research and learning and wisdom of scientists is wrong and that the research and learning and wisdom of theologians is correct? I'm just lost. What is the intent of the quotation?
Actually, the quote, when taken in context, was an attack against the false religious doctrin being taught at the time.
That is why I laughed and was more than happy to reply to that quote.
Last I checked, it was in mathematics.
And remember, he knows more than you do.Instead of sniffing my credentials, why not just respond to the content? Or is it ad hominem hour again? Did I miss the announcement?That's right! Because I've got a Master's degree!
In science!
Remember that if your opponent has no direct knowledge of the science involved, and is merely claiming truth because "I read it somewhere", this constitutes a fallacious appeal to authority. Point this out to him. One should always be able to explain the logic and science behind one's argument rather than simply making vague reference to an anonymous source.
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