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Common Creationist Arguments - Pseudoscience
http://www.stardestroyer.net/Creationism/Arguments/Pseudoscience.shtml ^

Posted on 03/13/2002 4:47:26 AM PST by JediGirl

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To: PatrickHenry
Lurking ...
1,721 posted on 03/24/2002 1:23:32 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: VadeRetro
Deutshland!

Aber, niemals "how to spell" gelernt!

1,722 posted on 03/24/2002 1:23:44 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: AndrewC
Did you have to translate those stupic German magazines in your class? They made Readers Digest look like classical literature.
Oldcats
1,723 posted on 03/24/2002 1:24:03 PM PST by oldcats
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To: oldcats
It's a list...it's got words in it.

When I'm not getting that much right, I go basic for a while just to correct the trend.

1,724 posted on 03/24/2002 1:24:55 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
Just as long as you don't start using your -- too much. That is going way too basic.
Oldcats
1,725 posted on 03/24/2002 1:28:25 PM PST by oldcats
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To: oldcats
Uuh -- OK. I'm typing with both hands.
1,726 posted on 03/24/2002 1:44:07 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
Has science disproven or not disproven that humans came from apes?

YES SCIENCE HAS DISPROVEN THAT HUMANS CAM FROM APES AND THE PROOF IS IN THE POST YOU JUST ANSWERED.

Oh and whales have nothing to do with it except that when you are proven wrong all you know how to do is lie and insult.

1,727 posted on 03/24/2002 1:49:20 PM PST by gore3000
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To: VadeRetro
Spamming a whole article again is

I reposted it because even though I had given you the post#1175 where it was originally posted, even though I had posted the article directly to you, you continued to deny that I had said what the definition of macro-evolution is.

SO LOOK IN THE MIRROR AND BLAME THE LIAR WHO DENIED WHAT HE KNEW VERY WELL HAD ALREADY BEEN SAID.

Not that you or any of the evolutionists here would bother to discuss it even after it has been posted three times. The statement is correct and speaks for itself so you have make up phony issues to attack me.

1,728 posted on 03/24/2002 1:57:30 PM PST by gore3000
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To: VadeRetro
This is labelled as a "complete fossil" of Notharctus venticolus.

Playing the little word games again. That may be a complete fossil, but the "macro-evolution" of that animal was determined from teeth only - as it said in the article you posted and as I stated in the post you just replied to. You can keep the animal, but you do not have proof of macro-evolution.

1,729 posted on 03/24/2002 2:04:03 PM PST by gore3000
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To: gore3000
YES SCIENCE HAS DISPROVEN THAT HUMANS CAM FROM APES AND THE PROOF IS IN THE POST YOU JUST ANSWERED.

No, it hasn't. And no, it isn't.

The post of yours I answered would be number 1651. Nothing here makes any statement which can reasonably be interpreted as you suggest.

One example, the first, will suffice.

The emergence of hominids came from a common ancestor of extant apes and humans from approximately 6-7 mya.

What would "a common ancestor of extant apes and humans" be? An ape. Note the word "extant," meaning "still around." "Still-around apes" as opposed to a "not around" ape, the common ancestor of human and extant apes. The category error here is the same in your other evidences.

Oh and whales have nothing to do with it except that when you are proven wrong all you know how to do is lie and insult.

You have time to type this but not to answer the question? And where is the lie? You said DNA disproves a hippo-to-whale connection. Then you tried to pretend you didn't understand the contradictory data. (Do you need a link for that? It was pathetic.)

What it has to do with your hominid claim is the underlying theme. You spew something utterly, ridiculously baseless. "Evolutionists admit humans did not come from apes." No, they don't.

Then you brazen. Eventually, you fall silent. Then you appear on a new thread, newborn, trolling for idiots.

1,730 posted on 03/24/2002 2:05:23 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: gore3000
So what's so special about the genus taxon? Everything above species is a beauty contest. Anything you can say about speciation being unclear goes triple for anything above.
1,731 posted on 03/24/2002 2:07:05 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: JediGirl
Bump for your answer to my question in #1714, also, please.
1,732 posted on 03/24/2002 2:07:24 PM PST by Matchett-PI
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To: Doctor Stochastic
"And while you are at it, you could give us your definitions of micro-evolution and macro-evolution."

Unbelievable! That is what I give you in post#1652, the post you just replied to! What do you want me to do, read it to you like a little baby?

1,733 posted on 03/24/2002 2:07:31 PM PST by gore3000
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To: gore3000
You didn't answer me on whether you have your own definition of a genus.
1,734 posted on 03/24/2002 2:07:43 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
What is your source for this statement?

The source is in post#1651 (or should I repost it again since perhaps you will deny that I ever posted if I just give you a post#). However, it is very dishonest of you to ask for this proof since you know quite well that science has been saying for decades that man and apes have a common ancestor not that man descended from monkeys as the charlatan Darwin said.

1,735 posted on 03/24/2002 2:15:23 PM PST by gore3000
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To: gore3000
The source is in post#1651 (or should I repost it again since perhaps you will deny that I ever posted if I just give you a post#).

"Evolutionists" (i.e, mainstream science) say that apes diverged from monkeys something like 30 million years ago. Don't make me look it up.

"Evolutionists" say that the ancestor of that "common ancestor of extant apes and humans" was on the "ape" side of that divide.

Any way you look at it, "evolutionists say" that your ancestry comes down through the apes. If that bugs you, at one time rather earlier it was primitive chordates.

1,736 posted on 03/24/2002 2:23:01 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
I could care less for your charts. Charts are proof of nothing. There was no gap. After erectus came Neanderthal and after Neanderthal came homo sapiens. The problem is that homo sapiens did not descend from Neanderthal and I already gave the proof of that. I also gave you the sources that prove that homo erectus was not around after 200,000 years ago. If you have proof otherwise, show it here. And no, unclassified fossils (which is what archaic this and archaic that means) do not count. In other words Vade let me make it real simple for you:

SHOW ME THE BONES OF A HOMO ERECTUS WHICH HAS BEEN PROVEN TO HAVE LIVED LESS THAN 100,000 YEARS AGO.

1,737 posted on 03/24/2002 2:23:16 PM PST by gore3000
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To: gore3000
I have been watching these posts since the beginning, and the common thread has been...evolutionists, prove your theory..prove that his happened, prove that that happened.
Well I would like to ask something of the creationist...how about proving YOUR theory, using something other that Because the Bible tells me so
You all are so fond of knocking science, yet without scientists, you wouldn't have this forum.
So once more, lay your cards on the table...where is one shred of scientific FACT that supports your theory?
Oldcats
1,738 posted on 03/24/2002 2:28:27 PM PST by oldcats
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To: gore3000
Charts are proof of nothing.

The data on the charts make your argument ridiculous.

There was no gap.

Indeed.

After erectus came Neanderthal and after Neanderthal came homo sapiens. The problem is that homo sapiens did not descend from Neanderthal and I already gave the proof of that. I also gave you the sources that prove that homo erectus was not around after 200,000 years ago. If you have proof otherwise, show it here.

At this point on this thread, in answer to the post it shams answering, simply self-discrediting. (There was not only no overall gap, there's no gap even if H. sapiens neanderthalensis is removed.)

SHOW ME THE BONES OF A HOMO ERECTUS WHICH HAS BEEN PROVEN TO HAVE LIVED LESS THAN 100,000 YEARS AGO.

Same applies here.

1,739 posted on 03/24/2002 2:28:53 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: oldcats
Good luck. Creationists never see any reason to defend their "theories." They figure the best way to prove creation is to discount evolution, as if the discrediting of the latter automatically proves the former.
1,740 posted on 03/24/2002 2:55:29 PM PST by Junior
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