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To: LuvItOrLeaveIt
I've been where you are at with this.

You want an intelligent answer concerning one place or the other. There is Genesis that tells us that God created the Heavens and the earth. But, I do realize you likely do not hold much respect for the Bible.

Consider, two facts that you must face. That our universe/matter/energy is eternal or that there is a higher being that is eternal and created what we see and don't see. I believe it takes more faith to believe that matter is eternal.

LuvItOrLeaveIt, there is no possible way you will understand with your intellect the Christian faith. Just for a moment choose to believe there is a God. This most high being has all the intellect---it passes all understanding. He doesn't give a flip about our intellect with all that He has. No, he does not want our minds or our intellectually understanding, He wants our hearts. He wants your heart. Surely you've noticed the differences in your very life between matters of the heart and matters of the intellect. If it took intellect, LIOLI (you sure have a long name), where would that leave the mentally handicapped? It is the heart that God wants of us. If you could for just a moment ponder the very idea of God and then see your position to God and be willing to open your heart up long enough for Him to show himself to you-----oh, the wonder you would behold. But, there are no words I can use nor anyone else. It has to do with your willingness or your rebellion.

I've said too much. I'm sorry. I'm sad for you that you think you know when really you do not. I do not say that in a prideful way. I rebelled myself. I thought I knew. Then, one night, the Lord just came and showed Himself to me and gave me faith to believe that He was who He said He was. May the Lord visit your heart and reveal Himself to you in a mighty way. ~Boxsford

405 posted on 01/03/2002 8:08:11 PM PST by Boxsford
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To: Boxsford
I've been where you are at with this.

I doubt that seriously.

You want an intelligent answer concerning one place or the other. There is Genesis that tells us that God created the Heavens and the earth. But, I do realize you likely do not hold much respect for the Bible.

The Bible is unverifiable, ergo, it is no more or less reliable than The Iliad where supernatural beings and places are concerned.

Consider, two facts that you must face. That our universe/matter/energy is eternal or that there is a higher being that is eternal and created what we see and don't see. I believe it takes more faith to believe that matter is eternal.

Occam's Razor demonstrates that the universe being more eternal is far more logicval than adding an eternal creator to the mix (as religion does).

LuvItOrLeaveIt, there is no possible way you will understand with your intellect the Christian faith.

I understand Christian faith all too well, hence I am an atheist.

Just for a moment choose to believe there is a God.

I cannot do that. I must have independently verifiable evidence to support the assertion that any god exists.

This most high being has all the intellect---it passes all understanding. He doesn't give a flip about our intellect with all that He has. No, he does not want our minds or our intellectually understanding, He wants our hearts. He wants your heart. Surely you've noticed the differences in your very life between matters of the heart and matters of the intellect. If it took intellect, LIOLI (you sure have a long name), where would that leave the mentally handicapped? It is the heart that God wants of us. If you could for just a moment ponder the very idea of God and then see your position to God and be willing to open your heart up long enough for Him to show himself to you-----oh, the wonder you would behold. But, there are no words I can use nor anyone else. It has to do with your willingness or your rebellion.

Meaningless gibberish because I cannot have faith in your alleged god.

I've said too much. I'm sorry. I'm sad for you that you think you know when really you do not. I do not say that in a prideful way. I rebelled myself. I thought I knew. Then, one night, the Lord just came and showed Himself to me and gave me faith to believe that He was who He said He was. May the Lord visit your heart and reveal Himself to you in a mighty way. ~Boxsford

I'm sad for those who believe in invisible friends, but I will defend to the death their right to believe in them.

504 posted on 01/04/2002 7:08:33 AM PST by LuvItOrLeaveIt
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To: Boxsford
May the Lord visit your heart and reveal Himself to you in a mighty way.

Father, I echo the prayer of Boxford for LuvItOrLeaveIt. May it be so quickly. Amen.

Shalom.

726 posted on 01/04/2002 12:07:18 PM PST by ArGee
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