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The old "God is the definer of morality, and therefore is not subject to it" trick.

Not at all. It's no trick to say that God is either perfectly justified, or else he is not. If he is not, he's no real God, and we have no business to worship him. If he is, he not only requires no excuses or explanation, but is utterly above and apart from all such probing.

If God is different from man merely by degree, he wouldn't be very interesting. Job's message is that God differs from man in an absolute, fundamental, and sovereign way (IOW, answering to no one), and thus the criteria for examining his ways are utterly different from examining the ways of men.

Even though you're not a believer, I hope you can accept on a theoretical level the distinction that Job makes.

Job's message is that God differs from man in an absolute, fundamental, and sovereign way (IOW, answering to no one), and thus the criteria for examining his ways are utterly different from examining the ways of men.

That's an utter cop-out.

If God is not subject to the moral laws that he himself defined, then they are not laws.

While I applaud efforts on the part of believers to bring The Word of Salvation through Christ to unbelievers, and while we as Christians are further commanded by scripture to do so, we are also told not to "cast pearls before swine."

Once having been exposed to The Word, if any should repeatedly prove that their only purpose in joining such discussions is to pillory, insult, defame, and spit upon the Holy Word of God, then continuing to so enjoin them is an affrontery before God.

It is here where a Christian crosses the line between "witnessing" and "casting pearls before swine."

Sadly, continuing to hold up God's Word for "give me some proof" heretics like OWK to take potshots at is the latter, and ill-advised. I have watched many here on FR try to soften OWK's heart to this life-saving message, and the replies are always the same.

I pray for OWK, and all afflicted with the same malaise.

If God is different from man merely by degree, he wouldn't be very interesting.

But He is: And the Lord God said: "Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil; and now lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for eve." (Genesis: 3:22)

In short, the difference between man and God is eternal life.... and if God grants eternal life to those humans he chooses, by whatever means, then it appears He created us in order to create more small-g gods to join whatever "us" God refers to.

But I believe that this does not make God less interesting, but man more so.