WHAT BIBLICAL ETERNAL SECURITY and SEATED IN CHRIST LOOKS LIKE in IMAGES - John 10:28-30/Eph. 2:1-10

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[The Ignorant Fisherman]

Beloved, ETERNALLY rejoice in our ETERNAL RIGHTEOUS Savior! We are ETERNALLY His FOREVERMORE, and seated with the Father in Jesus, as Almighty God works out His good pleasure for His ETERNAL glory in us till we are changed FOREVER! Occupy for the Father's ETERNAL glory!

The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand! Maranatha! David

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TOPICS: Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: blogpimp; dontseeit; eternalsecurity; images

[humblegunner]

I don’t see any images.

[Jim W N]

ETERNAL SECURITY and SEATED IN CHRIS

Amen.

[fidelis]

I don’t see any images.

Appropriate. I don't see "once saved. always saved" in the Bible either.

[Seven_0]

Appropriate. I don't see "once saved. always saved" in the Bible either

Temporary salvation is not salvation at all. You can live forever only once.

[fidelis]

Temporary salvation is not salvation at all. You can live forever only once.

When you enter a saving relationship with God, but before you leave his world, you haven't lived forever so you aren't yet definitively saved. Salvation isn't a one and done event. As St. Paul says we are already saved (Rom. 8:24, Eph. 2:5–8), but we're also being saved (1 Cor. 1:18, 2 Cor. 2:15, Phil. 2:12), and we have the hope that we will be saved (Rom. 5:9–10, 1 Cor. 3:12–15). Like Paul we are working out our salvation in fear and trembling (Phil. 2:12), with hopeful confidence in the promises of Christ (Rom. 5:2, 2 Tim. 2:11–13).

The Scriptures clearly teach in numerous places that believers can lose their salvation, not because God is unfaithful, but because we often are.

Here are only ten of many more New Testament verses that show that a believer can lose his salvation. Many more could be added. Keep in mind that the New Testament was specifically addressed to believers, not non-believers. These words are spoken to those who are presumed to be saved, but warns them they could lose that salvation—not because God would abandon or “lose” them, but they could be lost by estranging themselves from God through serious sin or apostasy. They do not “cancel out” other passages that imply we are already saved (and vice-versa), but must be taken together:

Matthew 10:22
You will be hated by all for my name’s sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved.

Luke 21:19
By your endurance you will gain your lives.

Hebrews 3:14
For we share in Christ, if only we hold our first confidence firm to the end.

1 Corinthians 15:1-3
1 Now I would remind you, brethren, in what terms I preached to you the gospel, which you received, in which you stand, 2 by which you are saved, if you hold it fast—unless you believed in vain.

Romans 2:7-9
7 to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; 8 but for those who are factious and do not obey the truth, but obey wickedness, there will be wrath and fury. 9 There will be tribulation and distress for every human being who does evil, the Jew first and also the Greek.

Romans 11:21
For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you.

Romans 11:22
Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness; otherwise you too will be cut off.

1 Corinthians 4:5
Therefore do not pronounce judgment before the time, before the Lord comes, who will bring to light the things now hidden in darkness and will disclose the purposes of the heart. Then every man will receive his commendation from God.

Note; We are warned not to judge the final end of anyone (including ourselves) in this life. Our final fate (and that of others) is known only to God and will be revealed to us at our judgement.

1 Corinthians 6:8-10
8 But you yourselves wrong and defraud, and that even your own brethren. 9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Galatians 6:7-10
7 Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. 8 For he who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption; but he who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life. 9 And let us not grow weary in well-doing, for in due season we shall reap, if we do not lose heart. 10 So then, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all men, and especially to those who are of the household of faith.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we endure, we shall also reign with him; if we deny him, he also will deny us.

Hebrews 6:4-8
4 For it is impossible to restore again to repentance those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they then commit apostasy, since they crucify the Son of God on their own account and hold him up to contempt. 7 For land which has drunk the rain that often falls upon it, and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is cultivated, receives a blessing from God. 8 But if it bears thorns and thistles, it is worthless and near to being cursed; its end is to be burned.

Hebrews 10:26-39
26 For if we sin deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a fearful prospect of judgment, and a fury of fire which will consume the adversaries. 28 A man who has violated the law of Moses dies without mercy at the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much worse punishment do you think will be deserved by the man who has spurned the Son of God, and profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and outraged the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge his people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
32 But recall the former days when, after you were enlightened, you endured a hard struggle with sufferings, 33 sometimes being publicly exposed to abuse and affliction, and sometimes being partners with those so treated. 34 For you had compassion on the prisoners, and you joyfully accepted the plundering of your property, since you knew that you yourselves had a better possession and an abiding one. 35 Therefore do not throw away your confidence, which has a great reward. 36 For you have need of endurance, so that you may do the will of God and receive what is promised. 37 “For yet a little while,
and the coming one shall come and shall not tarry;
38 but my righteous one shall live by faith,
and if he shrinks back,
my soul has no pleasure in him.”
39 But we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed, but of those who have faith and keep their souls.

James 1:12
Blessed is the man who endures trial, for when he has stood the test he will receive the crown of life which God has promised to those who love him.

1 Peter 1:14-17
“As obedient children, do not be conformed to the passions of your former ignorance, but as he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in all your conduct; since it is written, “You shall be holy, for I am holy.” And if you invoke as Father him who judges each one impartially according to his deeds, conduct yourselves with fear throughout the time of your exile.” 1 Peter 4:17
For the time has come for judgment to begin with the household of God; and if it begins with us, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God?

1 John 5:16
If any one sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask, and God will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin which is mortal; I do not say that one is to pray for that.

Note: Mortal sin (sometimes translated as “deadly sin”) can only mean a grave sin that results in spiritual death and can be committed, even by “brethren” (those who are presumably “saved”).

Revelation 2:5
Remember then from what you have fallen, repent and do the works you did at first. If not, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place, unless you repent.

[metmom]

Security of the believer

John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

John 6:37-39 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day.

John 10:25-30 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father's name bear witness about me, but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. I and the Father are one.”

Romans 4:16 Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham's offspring-not only to those who are of the law but also to those who have the faith of Abraham. He is the father of us all.

1 Corinthians 1:4-8 I give thanks to my God always for you because of the grace of God that was given you in Christ Jesus,that in every way you were enriched in him in all speech and all knowledge—even as the testimony about Christ was confirmed among you—so that you are not lacking in any gift, as you wait for the revealing of our Lord Jesus Christ, who will sustain you to the end, guiltless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

2 Corinthians 1:21-22 And it is God who establishes us with you in Christ, and has anointed us, and who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.

2 Corinthians 5:4-8 For while we are still in this tent, we groan, being burdened—not that we would be unclothed, but that we would be further clothed, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.

So we are always of good courage. We know that while we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord, for we walk by faith, not by sight. Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord.

Ephesians 1:13-14 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.

Ephesians 4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

Philippians 1:6 And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.

Colossians 1:13-14 He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

Colossians 2:13-14 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.

Colossians 3:3 For you have died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. When Christ who is your life appears, then you also will appear with him in glory.

1 Timothy 4:18 The Lord will rescue me from every evil deed and bring me safely into his heavenly kingdom. To him be the glory forever and ever. Amen.

1 Peter 1:3-5 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for you, who by God's power are being guarded through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

Hebrews 6:17-20 So when God desired to show more convincingly to the heirs of the promise the unchangeable character of his purpose, he guaranteed it with an oath, so that by two unchangeable things, in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled for refuge might have strong encouragement to hold fast to the hope set before us. We have this as a sure and steadfast anchor of the soul, a hope that enters into the inner place behind the curtain, where Jesus has gone as a forerunner on our behalf, having become a high priest forever after the order of Melchizedek.

Jude v24 "Now unto Him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy"

1 John 5:13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3156607/posts?page=313#313

2 Corinthians 1:21-22 Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God; Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

For which the Greek, from the Byzantine, is:

2Corinthians 1:21-22 ο δε βεβαιων ημας συν υμιν εις χριστον και χρισας ημας θεος ο και σφραγισαμενος ημας και δους τον αρραβωνα του πνευματος εν ταις καρδιαις ημων

The first word in bold above is “bebaion,” the idea of confirmation, frequently used in commercial settings to confirm a bargain. Which of course makes sense of the remaining terms used here, which are also elements of a secured contract.

The second word in bold above is “sphragisamenos,” being sealed is to be marked by the signature, signet ring, or other unique proof of identity, that we belong to God, and this sealing is done by God, who is the one taking action in this verse. We do not and cannot seal ourselves. We do not, by our own powers, have access to God’s “signet ring.”

The third bolded word above is “arrabona,” and indicates what we might loosely refer to as earnest money, but in Hebrew culture conveys more the idea of a pledge of covenant, a security given as a guarantee that the deal will go through, though we only receive part payment at the beginning. See ערב for the related Hebrew stem indicating “pledge.”

[metmom]

Temporary salvation is then salvation by works.

If you have to work to keep it, then it depends on our own efforts, not God’s sustaining power or His sealing us with His Holy Spirit, who is the GUARANTEE of our inheritance, until the day of redemption.

[daniel1212]

Here are only ten of many more New Testament verses that show that a believer can lose his salvation. Many more could be added

Yes, as for one, you neglected Galatians 5:1-4, which is clearly addressing regenerated believers, justified by effectual, regenerating repentant, heart-purifying justifying faith, (Acts 15:7-9) being imputed for righteousness (Rom. 4:5) versus any merit of "works of righteousness which we have done," (Titus 3:5) which system the Law was the epitome of.(Galatians 3:21)

But who were being sternly warned against forfeiting what faith had obtained by going back to a system in which justification was obtained by performance in keeping the holy Law, (Romans 7:12) versus the aforementioned faith in the mercy of God in Christ to save us as sinners, yet which faith has its evidential fruit of holiness, and the end everlasting life. (Romans 6:22)

This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? (Galatians 3:2)

...for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. (Galatians 3:21-22

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And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ. (Galatians 4:6-7)

Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love. Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth? This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you. (Galatians 5:1-8)

Also, Hebrew 3:12, also written to believers - it was - "holy brethren" - as being believers, exhorting them to persevere in that faith versus drawing back to perdition via impenitent sinning after realizing revelatory enlightenment and regeneration and the power of the word of God and the goodness of God, (Hebrews 6:1-8)

Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. (Hebrews 3:12)

For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers [partakers: Heb_3:1, Heb_3:14, Heb_6:4, Heb_12:8; fellows: Heb_1:8-9] of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted [eaten in Acts 2011] the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned. (Hebrews 6:4-8)

To assent to a false gospel, which includes that of justification via ritual regeneration rendering one actually good enough to be with God, usually followed by Purgatory to achieve the same and expiate sins, and or to morally draw back to perdition via persistent impenitent sinning (versus striving to overcome sin and the world of it), is to deny Christ, rejecting faith which has characteristic obedience and holiness as its fruit.

Such is the "sin unto death," becoming reprobate, which even the apostle Paul warned he could become:

But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway [Gk. adokimos = reprobate: Rom_1:28, 2Ti_3:8, Tit_1:16 . 2Co_13:5-7) - 1 Corinthians 9:27

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But security is promised,

"If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;"

(Colossians 1:23)

According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. And beside this, (2 Peter 1:3-5)

giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, knowledge, temperance, patience, godliness, brotherly kindness and charity. (2 Peter 1:5-7)

Which i certainly fall short of.

"give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: (2 Peter 1:10)

But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. (2 Peter 1:9)

In contrast, justifying faith is repentant by nature, and seeks to be more like Christ, according to the degree of Light they are given.

If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. (1 John 1:6-10

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[fidelis]

All very well, but as I said, the verses that seem to point to once saved always saved do not cancel out the ones that clearly indicate otherwise (and vice versa). You can't ignore them. They must be taken together. In other words, yes, God is faithful, but if we are not, we break our covenant with God.

[metmom]

Verses that SEEM to indicate one can lose their salvation do not cancel out the ones that clearly state we can’t.

Sealed means sealed.

Guarantee means gurrantee.

Unless you can come up with a convincing argument that sealed doesn’t really mean sealed and guarante3e doesn’t really mean guarantee.

[mitch5501]

1st John 2:19 indicates that those who “went out from us” proved that they were “not of us”
In other words, they never actually made that covenant with God in the beginning.
Allow me this ‘what if’... Assuming we reach heaven, if we were to ask God...”when was it during my walk, that I went from not saved to saved?” Keeping in mind “a double minded man is unstable in all his ways” (James 2:8) and that a helmet protects the mind.Also 1 John seems (at least to me) To indicate that we need to know we are saved in order to do the work of God.

[metmom]

Also, many of those verse fidelis posted do not reference an individual's salvation.

Removing a candle from the lampstand is reference to the church fellowship as a whole, not the person not being saved.

Nor does judgment beginning with the household of God by default mean loss of salvation.

Those verses in 1 Corinthians 6 about who will not inherit the kingdom of God is taken out of context because Paul continues in the very next verse (verse 11) with......

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

The believer is secure in Christ because the record of his or her sin debt towards God has been erased. IOW, there's nothing left to be judged for.

Colossians 2:13-14 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.

[fidelis]

All the Scripture quotes a posted speak for themselves and can’t be explained away. I will let the impartial and openminded reader decide.

[Seven_0]

Eternal salvation question. There are many verses on both sides of the argument here. If you have eternal life, you cannot die. If you die, it is because you didn’t have eternal life. God is the author and finisher of our faith. Would God start something he could not finish?

[Seven_0]

Eternal salvation question. There are many verses on both sides of the argument here. If you have eternal life, you cannot die. If you die, it is because you didn’t have eternal life. God is the author and finisher of our faith. Would God start something he could not finish?

[fidelis]

This was answered above. God desires us to be saved and he gives us everything we need to obtain salvation. However he will not override our free will. If we apostatize he will not force us to love him and return to him. No one can snatch us out of his hand, but we can jump out of his hand.

[metmom]

Cop out answer.

[metmom]

God being the Author and Finisher of our faith is just another verse that shows our security.

He FINISHES what He started in us.

[metmom]

Than your salvation becomes a works based salvation, depending on a person’s ability to work to obtain it and keep it, in direct contradiction to God telling us throughout Scripture that salvation is by faith in Him.

Abraham was declare righteous because he believed God’s promise decades before he did any works. He simply believed God.