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I read somewhere recently that the Temple Mount is just the foundation of a Roman fort, and that the real temple was in the City of David just outside of Jerusalem.
I am not an expert, but I found it interesting
Does no one ask why God had the Temple destroyed 2000 years ago in the first place?
Plenty of circumstantial evidence that this was in fact the site of both temples. Jews have lived there continuously since Israel’s founding 3300 years ago. This isn’t a lost civilzation like Troy or Atlantis. Italians killed 1m Jews in Jerusalem, left ample records. But the decisive record is of literate Jews who passed on their prosaic observations.
Perimeter and Subterranean Excavations
Because archaeologists cannot dig on the Mount itself, extensive projects take place directly surrounding its borders:
* The Southern Wall and Ophel: Begun significantly by Benjamin Mazar in 1968 and later expanded by Eilat Mazar, excavations at the Ophel Archaeological Park have unearthed monumental First and Second Temple period structures, including massive Herodian staircases that pilgrims once used to access the mount.
* The Western Wall Tunnels: Managed by the Western Wall Heritage Foundation, continuous excavation along the subterranean length of the wall has exposed First and Second Temple street levels, ritual baths (mikvaot), ancient drainage networks, and massive Herodian building blocks buried up to 50 feet underground.
* The Pilgrimage Road: A massive ongoing project reveals the stone-paved Roman-era thoroughfare connecting the Pool of Siloam to the foot of the Temple Mount. A newly excavated section of this street has recently been made available to tourists and pilgrims.
The Temple Mount Sifting Project
The closest scientists have come to analyzing the actual soil from the interior of the compound is through the Temple Mount Sifting Project.
* Origin: In 1999, the Islamic Waqf performed unauthorized construction while building an emergency exit for the underground El-Marwani Mosque (Solomon’s Stables). Thousands of tons of archaeologically rich dirt were removed using heavy bulldozers and dumped into the nearby Kidron Valley.
* The Rescue Operation: Archaeologists Zachi Dvira and Gabriel Barkay established a project to recover these discarded materials. Operating out of Mount Scopus, the initiative allows the public to wash and screen the soil manually.
* Major Discoveries: The project has yielded hundreds of thousands of artifacts spanning millennia. Highlights include an Egyptian amulet over 3,200 years old, clay seals from the First Temple period linking back to Biblical figures like King Josiah’s officials, and unique 7th-century Sassanid seals.
Recent Findings (2025–2026)
Archaeological research near the site continues to yield high-profile artifacts:
* The Menorah Pendant: In mid-2026, researchers with the Israel Antiquities Authority discovered a rare, 1,300-year-old lead pendant near the southwest corner of the Temple Mount. The jewelry features a Temple Menorah engraved on both sides and dates to the late Byzantine period—a time when Jewish presence in Jerusalem was highly restricted.
* Hasmonean Fortifications: Massive fortifications and segments of ancient city walls dating back over 2,000 years continue to be unearthed in connected layers near the Tower of David, shedding more light on how the ancient city was guarded.]
If the project succeeds, it’ll be a fake temple based on heretical dual covenant theology. After the resurrection of Jesus, God no longer dwells in Temples. He dwells in the hearts of ALL who believe in His son Jesus, Jew or gentile.
The Temple Mount actually has two different platforms, a larger and higher one on which sits the Dome of the Rock, and a smaller lower one above the Wailing Wall on which sits the Al-Aqsa Mosque. I have seen strong arguments that the upper platform was the Roman Fortress Antonia and that the Temple itself was not located at the site of the Dome of the Rock but on the lower platform, which would place it just north of the old City of David which is now outside the city walls.
It’s prophetic, is going to happen, and I believe before this century ends.
Jesus turned his attention from the self-righteous Jews to the poor and needy Gentiles.
Soon he will come back to the Jews who will return to Him.
More accurately, he dwells in the temple of the bodies of those that receive him.
I visited the Temple Mount years ago, and had more access than many would have today. Including visiting inside the Dome of the Rock.
And came to believe the Temple may actually have been centered with the Holy of Holies near where the Al-Kas (Bowl) fountain is today. Located just to the South of the Dome of the Rock. Which I have always referred as “that profane place to the North” knowing what is written on the inside about Jesus. An abomination and is desolate.
For information on the Dome layout and what lies beneath, see also the Roman Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek, Lebanon. I believe it was the same architect.
Doesn't mean they are right. As others have posted, God definitively destroyed the earthly temple because now Jesus is the temple. Nothing can be clearer if one reads the New Testament without preconceptions.
The problem is, there is a way to build the Temple, and a way not to build the Temple. Like everything else in Judaism, Halakhah regulates everything. One could theoretically be secular and still advocate a Temple for purely nationalistic reasons (this was once actually advocated by 'Abba' 'Achime'ir, who wanted a rebuilt temple as a "symbol of the nation"). This would be a terrible mistake.
According to RaMBa"M the Temple must be built by Mashiach after he ingathers the exiles and exterminates `Amaleq. This could happen in any generation, and there is always someone qualified to be Mashiach in every generation. But the absolute deadline is Ro'sh HaShanah of the year 6001 (this is the year 5786). We could still have to wait the remaining two hundred-plus years. I certainly hope we don't have to.
May it be His Will to send Mashiach immediately! ('Amen, ken yehi ratzon.)
You're assuming the "new testament" is genuine inspired scripture. In fact, that is the very foundation from which you proceed.
It never seems to occur to you folks that prior to chrstianity the Hebrew Bible was already (and still) the undoubted Word of G-d. This means any new religion has to submit to its judgment. But chrstians don't see it that way. They insist that chrstianity is self-evidently true to everyone and accept the Hebrew Bible only because chrstianity endorses it. This is totally illogical, but I suppose you have to do this because otherwise you wouldn't have a leg to stand on. (And aren't you one of those people who don't believe in Adam and Eve? G-d didn't supernaturally create the world but two thousand years ago He suddenly became a "magician?")
The Jewish People accept the Torah because they were there at Mt. Sinai. Its authority is totally independent of chrstianity because they heard it from G-d's own Mouth. Pious Jews will never be able to forget this so that they can join you in your little act of "affirmation of the consequent."
More accurately, he dwells in the temple of the bodies of those that receive him.
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Good point.
Cease your ignorant Anti-Christian hatred and bigotry.
Your Christophobia is showing.
You can’t have an minion in the temple without first having the temple
Imho the temple will return when the first people fly off to the stars. That will happen no later than 2062. Issac newton predicted the return of Jesus in2060. Star Trek put the first warp drive flight in 2062. Ai is collapsing 100 years into 10. AI geniuses are saying warp drive could be developed by 2040. Slower matter anti matter drives are already being talked about by Elon musk. These things create downward pressure
You don't know me enough to know my assumptions about anything.
I am a Catholic and my basis for belief in the inspiration of the New Testament is that I believe Jesus Christ is God, that he established a visible Church giving it his own authority, including the authority to determine what is and is not inspired. If you don't believe that, that's OK with me; you be you. But it is just your opinion.
If you want to be at least minimally informed about what Catholics believe about the Bible, go here so that you can at least discuss the subject intelligently.
"It never seems to occur to you folks that prior to chrstianity the Hbrew Bible was already (and still) the undoubted Word of G-d. This means any new religion has to submit to its judgment. But chrstians don't see it that way. They insist that chrstianity is self-evidently true to everyone and accept the Hbrew Bible only because chrstianity endorses it. This is totally illogical, but I suppose you have to do this because otherwise you wouldn't have a leg to stand on. (And aren't you one of those people who don't believe in Adam and Eve? G-d didn't supernaturally create the world but two thousand years ago He suddenly became a "magician?")
There are so many ignorant generalizations about Christians in this paragraph, it would take me a book to squash them all. I am not a Fundamentalist Protestant as you seem to assume I am, and neither are most Protestants in the world for that matter. When you discuss something with others, you should at least make minimal effort to find out what particular person believes about that matter and proceed from there. Otherwise you end up arguing against something the other other doesn't even believe.
"It never seems to occur to you folks that prior to chrstianity the Hbrew Bible was already (and still) the undoubted Word of G-d. This means any new religion has to submit to its judgment."
It means no such thing. Jews can define inspiration for themselves all day. That's good. Do it all day if you want. But they don't any authority to define what is inspired for Christians anymore than Christians can define inspiration for the Jews. The statement is ludicrously illogical on it's face.
"But chrstians don't see it that way. They insist that chrstianity is self-evidently true to everyone and accept the Hbrew Bible only because chrstianity endorses it. This is totally illogical, but I suppose you have to do this because otherwise you wouldn't have a leg to stand on. (And aren't you one of those people who don't believe in Adam and Eve? G-d didn't supernaturally create the world but two thousand years ago He suddenly became a "magician?")"
Again with the ignorant generalizations. Sheesh.
"The Jwish People accept the Torah because they were there at Mt. Sinai. Its authority is totally independent of chrstianity because they heard it from G-d's own Mouth. Pious Jews will never be able to forget this so that they can join you in your little act of "affirmation of the consequent."
Nobody here says you have to do any of this. Be Jewish. Don't be Jewish. It's not my business; it's between you and God. Don't jump on me with a bunch of angry and ignorant BS because I don't want to hear it. Have a blessed day.
Against all odds, it will happen and sooner than later...
100% agree, Jesus was the fulfillment of the Temple, it is his body. The Earthly building is not standing today only because God does not want it to be. The time of the transgressors (Israel of 32 AD) will come to the fullness of their time.
That said, if I were a scholar in Jerusalem I would always defer for outward consumption how the Temple was probably located exactly where the Dome of the Rock is today. For the purposes of keeping the Islamic Waqf from looking for and intentionally destroying the evidence and foundations of the real location.
As to those looking for end times prophecy to be fulfilled by a rebuilt Temple, I would add, it may be as they say, but also to consider those who understand to always read the fine print. Jesus said about the ‘abomination of desolation’ spoken of by Daniel the Prophet, that it was still future, and when they see it, (that is **understand** what it is) when they hung the Prince of Life on a tree, they would see also Deuteronomy 21:22-23 and Jeremiah 8:12.
During the reign of anti-Christ, unbelieving Israel will come to ‘understand’ this truth all at once. Like having scales removed from their spiritual eyes. Anti-Christ must immediately attack this acknowledgment because Satan knows it is his doom the moment they collectively say ‘blessed’ is the coming of Jesus. Jesus will not return touching this physical Earth UNTIL Israel mourns for him like an only child: Again, read the fine print as a legal document, it is THE title deed of ownership for Messiah.
“For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.” - Matthew 23:39
None of these events are waiting on Christians.
“The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.” - Acts 5:30-32
The Law of Moses warned Israel 1,500 years in advance about this future time: Jesus is the Temple, it is his Body desolate and raised up after three days and three nights:
“And I will make your cities waste, and bring your sanctuaries unto desolation, and I will not smell the savour of your sweet odours. And I will bring the land into desolation: and your enemies which dwell therein shall be astonished at it. And I will scatter you among the heathen, and will draw out a sword after you: and your land shall be desolate, and your cities waste.” - Leviticus 26:31-33
As Jeremiah said, they committed abomination in the ‘time of their visitation’ and their sanctuary was cast down to the ground:
“Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore shall they fall among them that fall: in the time of their visitation they shall be cast down, saith the LORD.” - Jeremiah 8:12
Not one stone of the Temple was left standing:
“And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.” - Matthew 24:2
It is clear from Ezekiel and from Zechariah how there will be another Temple in Jerusalem where Messiah will rule and reign from. A much larger structure and far too great for the current size of the 35 acres. Notice in Zechariah when Jesus returns, how the entire valley is being uprooted and moved to fill in and enlarge the Temple Mount platform. Zerubbabel will finish it just as it is written:
“The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house; his hands shall also finish it; and thou shalt know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto you.” - Zechariah 4:9
The Mount of Olives will be moved to enlarge the Temple platform for the larger structure:
“And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.” - Zechariah 14:4
See also how Michael has overseen the structure, the outline, the blueprint, the entire layout of Israel and kept them in their manner for lasting repentance to Israel, God even warns Moses not to underestimate him or what he may do: As the sons of Aaron soon learned, even as Uzzah who only steadied the Ark of the Covenant learned. The Holy Mechanism of the Law must be safeguarded perfectly for the coming Messiah to then be able to insert himself into it and bring it to life, HIS life and his kinsman redeemer fulfillment of every Holy Word doing ONLY the will of the Father:
“Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.” - Exodus 23:20-21
“And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.” - Daniel 12:1
Michael the Archangel “stands” in Revelation Chapter 11 where he has a Golden Reed from God to give to John to measure the infrastructure and to confirm that ALL was completed and standing correctly and precisely as God first instructed him to watch over it for Israel, (except leave out the outer court for the Gentiles, that part was grafted in by Gods grace and mercy). It is completed for Israel as John is now a witness to it in the Court of Heaven.
On that final day; in the valley of Megiddo, they will mourn for Jesus, HIS only Son:
“And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.” - Zechariah 12:9-11
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