Posted on 05/02/2026 5:25:06 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski
It’s safe to say that, among the nations of the world, Israel perhaps evokes stronger thoughts and emotions in people than any other. Israel and polarization seem to fit hand in glove, as people either strongly like or love Israel or dislike or even hate the Jewish nation. It seems most people tend to feel very strongly about Israel, one way or another.
In the church today, the nation of Israel is also a point of contention, not geopolitically, per se, but biblically. In short, as it pertains to God’s relationship with Israel in the future, there are only two basic viewpoints: God is either finished with Israel or God has a future for Israel.
God’s Future for Israel—Rom. 11:25–36
We see in Romans 11:25–36 God’s glorious plan for the future salvation of Israel. Verses 25–27 say, “For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.”
Notice in verse 25 that Paul doesn’t want the brethren to be ignorant of this mystery. The word “mystery” in the New Testament refers to truth not previously revealed. Specifically, the mystery is that Israel’s hardening is partial, and it will only last for a divinely specified time until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. This is the completion of what we know as the Church Age. God knows the beginning from the end…
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We certainly see that the natural branches, while enemies of the gospel, are "beloved for the father's sake, and that one day they (all that remain) will be converted.
Although I do not hold to pre-trib rapture, I do see this event being at the end of the trib., (Luke 21:28) at the Lord's coming and gathering unto Him, henceforth ever being with their Lord (1 Thessalonians 3:13; 4:16,17; 1 Thessalonians 2:19; Acts 24:15; 1 Corinthians 15:23) this being the first resurrection (of the just, of life, Luke 14:14; Jn. 5:29a; Rev. 20:6).
For wherever Scripture clearly speak of the next conscious reality for believers after this life then it is with the Lord, (Lk. 23:43 [cf. 2Cor. 12:4; Rv. 2:7]; Phil 1:23; 2Cor. 5:8 [“we”]; 1Cor. 15:51ff'; 1Thess. 4:17)
Who, being caught up at the Lord's coming, will thus be part of the vast army which will go with the Lord Jesus to the battle of Armageddon,“ (Jude 1:14-15; Revelation 19:14) and also stand before “the judgment seat of Christ” - which is only for believers - and who will be judged as to rewards and or loss thereof due their manner of workmanship in building the body of Christ, the church, directly or indirectly, (Lk. 14:14; cf. 1Cor. 3:8-15; 4:5; 2 Corinthians 5:10) which event is the only suffering (2 Corinthians 5:11) for believers after this life, but it is not a matter of personal purification or salvation.
And overcoming believers shall then be rulers under Christ in His literal 1,000 year reign:
And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. (Revelation 20:1-6)
Who shall be ministers under Him who shall rule the surviving lost with a rod of iron, for not all in the earth during the 1,000 year reign of Christ are believers, as some flesh survived the great tribulation. (Zechariah 14:16; Matthew 24:22)
And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. (Revelation 2:25-27)
In contrast to those who were never born of the Spirit or who terminally fall away. (Gal. 5:1-4; Heb. 3:12; 10:25-39)
Thus while the Lord
"shall feed his flock like a shepherd: he shall gather the lambs with his arm, and carry them in his bosom, and shall gently lead those that are with young. (Isaiah 40:11) yet speaking of the same period,
and,
And the streets of the city shall be full of boys and girls playing in the streets thereof. (Zechariah 8:5)
and ,
The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. (Isaiah 11:6)
Yet,
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. (Revelation 19:15)
And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain. And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the Lord will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. (Zechariah 14:16-18)
It is this 1,000 years in which the extensive elaborate prophecies of the remnant of Israel best find fulfillment. For
while blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: (Romans 11:25-26)
For Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. (Zechariah 12:2)For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. (Matthew 24:28)
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. (Zechariah 12:10)
In which age there is even forgiveness available for the survivors who need it, being tested in a dispensation in which, unlike in the Garden when there was no sinful nature but there was a devil, or when there was no covenant of Moses, or when there was or the New but there was a devil, in this age there is no devil actively testing them.
And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain. (Zechariah 14:16-17)And yet, under ideal conditions, among the latter are impenitent believers, who are basically compelled by incontrovertible evidence to believe in and submit the Lord, against their will, still say in their hearts (as my flesh does), "We will not have this man to reign over us." (Luke 19:14)
(As would recalcitrant intransigent atheists who require God perform miracles on demand if He wants them to believe. Instead, honestly, respectively seeking that which is valuable prepares the heart for effectually proper reception.)
And thus the final test of mankind takes place, when the prince of Darkness, fundamental alternative to God, the True Light, is allowed to test man, and whom the latent rebellious will follow:
And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:7-10)
After which the “great and notable day of the Lord” ‘ (Acts 2:20) culminates in the Great White Throne judgment, with “the resurrection of damnation” (Jn. 5:29b) of the unjust, (Acts 24:15) and their judgment. Which occurs 1,000 years after “the first resurrection” (Rv. 20:6) the “resurrection of life, (”(Jn. 5:29a) and in which judgment believers will be part of the jury in the judgment of men and angels (1 Corinthians 6:3)
In which the dead are judged out of those things which were written in the books, and whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire, (Rv. 20:11-5) with their degree of punishment being determined in accordance with how much light and grace was given. (Lk. 10:12-13; 12:47,48)
In contrast, preterism must allegorize, spiritualize texts such as this list of Preterist-claimed fulfilled prophecies:** (via perplexity,ai)
Preterist-claimed fulfilled prophecies (list only):
Olivet Discourse (Mt. 24; Mk. 13; Lk. 21)
False Christs/prophets (v. 5,11,24)
Wars/rumors of wars (v. 6-7)
Famines, earthquakes (v. 7)
Persecution of believers (v. 9)
Gospel preached to all nations (v. 14)
Abomination of desolation (v. 15; Dan. 9:27)
Great tribulation (v. 21)
Sun/moon darkened, stars fall (v. 29)
Son of Man coming on clouds (v. 30)
This generation shall not pass (v. 34)
Book of Revelation (all chapters)
Seals, trumpets, bowls judgments
Two witnesses (ch. 11)
Woman and dragon (ch. 12)
Two beasts (ch. 13)
144,000 sealed (ch. 7, 14)
Devil/Satan bound 1,000 years (Rev. 20:1-3)
"No more"/"any more" statements (claimed fulfilled in Israel):
Rev. 3:12 ("no more out of that city")
Rev. 7:16 ("hunger no more...thirst any more")
Rev. 12:8 ("place found any more in heaven")
Rev. 18:11,14,21-23 ("no more...any more" - Babylon's fall)
Rev. 20:3 ("deceive the nations no more")
Rev. 21:1,4 ("sea...no more", death/sorrow/pain no more")
Babylon the Great falls (ch. 17-18)
Marriage supper of Lamb (ch. 19)
Christ's return (ch. 19)
Millennium (ch. 20)
New heaven/new earth (ch. 21-22)
Daniel
Four beasts/kingdoms (ch. 7)
Little horn (ch. 7)
70 weeks (ch. 9)
Abomination of desolation (ch. 11, 12)
Other
Coming on clouds (Mt. 16:27-28; 26:64)
Kingdom coming with power (Mk. 9:1)
Days of vengeance (Lk. 21:22)
Time of Jacob's trouble (Jer. 30:7)
Gog/Magog (Ezek. 38-39)
My simple question is: how will Israel be saved? Is it different than other believers?
Not as though the word of God hath miscarried. For all are not Israelites that are of Israel: Neither are all they that are the seed of Abraham, children; but in Isaac shall thy seed be called: That is to say, not they that are the children of the flesh, are the children of God; but they, that are the children of the promise, are accounted for the seed. (Romans 9:6-8)The heirs of the promise, the true Israel, are not merely ethnic Jews, it is not the State of Israel, but the believers in Jesus Christ.
Bkmk
“My simple question is: how will Israel be saved? Is it different than other believers?”
That is a very good question. The gospel has been preached to Jews for 2,000 years and most reject it.
Also, Israel doesn’t even contain half the world’s Jews. Half the world’s Jews don’t want to move there.
The modern state of Israel does not like Jesus, and he is basically outlawed there.
Prophecy, to me, is seeing in a glass darkly. The past is a little easier: Israel would not exist as an entity had it not been the oracles of God were commited to her. Where are the Assyrians, where are the Babylonians, where are the Egyptians? ( subsumed in the caliphate, with no connection to Rameses)
Because they hate Jews and convoluted replacement theology serves their purposes.
And those who will be believers, ie, Jews. We Christians are not God’s chosen people, but we have been grafted in. Replacement theology is false.
The same as everyone. The promises to Israel are earthly.
And yet, Paul belabors the point when he says:
while blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: (Romans 11:25-26)
I don’t subscribe to the dispensational eschatology, but Paul does seem to indicate a time when physical Israel will be more receptive to the Gospel and join spiritual Israel.
Amen. Many hacmve died by not converting. Those who did are called conversos. But they will always be Jews. The Church has tried to replace Jews since 326. The Muslims are trying to replace Jews and Christians since 680. I am pretty sure God will sort it all out in the World to Come.
God has a covenant with Natural Israel, but not for salvation. The branches that fell off are burned.
I pray that everyone in the modern State of Israel hears His voice, but we shouldn't sugar coat it, if they don't.
John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me
Shepherd
If you are grafted in, you are chosen. You didn’t graft yourself in.
My simple question is: how will Israel be saved? Is it different than other believers?
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Israel had lots of unbelief in Egypt.
And when the time appointed came for their deliverance, He caused them to see two signs that caused belief, and they also witnessed plagues to their slave masters.
They reached a point where they were ready to follow the instructions, select a lamb, kill it and place its blood on their houses.
And they were saved/delivered by the blood of the Lamb
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