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Hogwash. Virtually all of the Ante Nicene fathers believed in a coming millennial reign of Jesus Christ. Not to mention the apostle John who wrote about it in Revelation.
Dispensationalism is what happens when believers are led astray by false doctrine, charlatans and well-meaning heretics.
This article author is welcome to his own faith beliefs, but there too many errors to spend time correcting them.
The OP of this post continues to present leftovers as new meals.
Lost me with the title.
Had to go find a thesaurus.
Classical Premillennialism is not the same as Dispensational. Theologians through the ages have had differing exposition of the Book of Revelation and other prophecies throughout the Scriptures including the Old Testament. But the dispensational, pre-tribulation, rapture-ready framework is fairly...new. And very American-centric despite originating abroad...albeit in the English speaking world.
Not to say the Bible does not support it.
Don't we all get enough of that around the office water cooler every day? Blah, blah blah.
—> But the dispensational, pre-tribulation, rapture-ready framework is fairly...new.
False.
Imminence, catching away before the great tribulation, and Israel in the end times were all present in the church fathers.
Uhhh ok sure thing. eye roll
The early Church Fathers thought the end was near, possibly within their own lifetimes.
Turned out not to be the case, so they changed their thinking.
Exactly right.
Dispensationalism and the Rapture are a recent novelty, originating around the 19th century with John Nelson Darby.
~~~ Canfield and Scofield ~~~
If you see a turtle on a fencepost, you know it didn’t get there itself.
Imagine an engaging sociopath, a skilled con artist and adroit forger, who specialized in earning, and betraying, the confidence of friends and family. Who deserted his wife and two young daughters, but only after swindling her family out of $1,500. (current value — somewhere north of $53,000)
Somehow, like others before and since, this cad / scoundrel discovers that the evangelical pulpit can provide a lucrative string of suckers. Especially if the core of his message is — “It’s not your fault. You can blame God, since He’s already ordained the global triumph of evil. Don’t worry about the world around you, since it’s a lost cause. Just get your soul saved, and you’re set.”
And the story gets better. Christians voluntarily renouncing influence? Pulling comforting bushels over their lamps? And this accomplished fraudster eager to play “Retreat” RIGHT NOW, instead of 15 minutes before “Taps?”(0) A cabal of anti-Christian(1) men of influence, that included a soap tycoon and a future Supreme Court justice, saw the possibilities. And offered a deal. Suddenly, the gravy train included junkets abroad. A mailing address and lodgings in NYC at the elite Lotos Club, whose membership was restricted to non-Christians. Editorial help. The imprimatur of the most prestigious publishing house in the world.
As a technical writer, I have to give the guy credit. His “reference Bible” provided fodder for dozens of courses in the lowbrow “Bible colleges” that sprouted like mushrooms throughout the cultural hinterland.(2)
Joseph Canfield did a great job of “connecting the dots,” and I strongly recommend his book.
(0) Yes, I earned the Bugling merit-badge on my way to the rank of Eagle Scout
(1) Let the reader understand
(2) No matter which Scofield Reference Bible you buy, the pagination is the same. IFB congregations can be given page numbers from the pulpit for looking up the Scripture references.
https://www.amazon.com/Incredible-Scofield-His-Book/dp/1879998440/
Here is what I know, my faith is absolute. I am very much an audible learner so I can’t quote all the chapters and verses, but know the whole story. First is birthing pains, then the Rapture removes the Holy Spirit from the world via the Church being raptured. 7 years of great tribulation, giving the children of Jacob/Israel another chance to come to Christ and they will. The two witnesses will come, die, and be resurrected, then the actual second coming with Jesus touching down on mount of olives to rule for 1000 literal years with no death. Then Satan and the living humans that are still rebelling will be eternally cast into Hell. New Heaven will descend to earth with dimensions of 1500 miles cubed. Then time has no meaning.
The two witnesses could be anyone random, but I believe they would be Elijah and Enoch as they haven’t died. Moses has lived and died so that rules him out.
Read Acts 1. “In this same manner...” Jesus will return like he left -in the clouds.
Read all Jesus warnings to be ready.
Read the last chapter of the last book of the Bible for its last words.
Nuf said.
No needs to know/figure out all the details. We need to know just 4 things:
1. He’s coming back
2. NO ONE knows when
3. It makes a difference whether we are prepared or not - a huge difference.
4. Those who love Him will both long for his return and be ready when He returns.
“Come Lord Jesus!”
1. He’s coming back
2. NO ONE knows when
3. It makes a difference whether we are prepared or not - a huge difference.
4. Those who love Him will both long for his return and be ready when He returns.
Amen. We should spend more time time growing closer to Jesus and in holiness than fruitlessly trying to connect the dots to todays news. If you stay ready, you don't have to get ready. “Come Lord Jesus!”
“It’s not your fault. You can blame God, since He’s already ordained the global triumph of evil. Don’t worry about the world around you, since it’s a lost cause. Just get your soul saved, and you’re set.”— clearly written by someone who never set foot in an evangelical, dispensational church, many congregations sending sons and daughters to low brow Bible colleges and then into farflung fields of missionary work. Not caring about the world? Caring with a different eye—set on eternity , which is what Christ was all about. Yeah, believing his kingdom is not of this world, because He said it. Meanwhile , float off off on your clouds of flatus, but how about for a reality check, “Who Really Cares,” Arthur C. Brooks, 2006. Investigated patterns of charitable giving in US, found evangelicals in the forefront, far beyond whomever it is you’re quoting here ,the “technical writer?” who indeed forces a lot of gas through the pipes on the way to his bugling badge. Oh, and that charitable giving discrepancy extends to blood donations.
Irenaeus, an ante-nicene father, was the spiritual grandson of the apostle John. He was the student of Polycarp, a direct disciple of John himself. It is Irenaeus who very early on articulated the idea of Mary as the new Eve.
He famously wrote that “the knot of Eve’s disobedience was loosed by the obedience of Mary. What the virgin Eve had bound in unbelief, the Virgin Mary loosed through faith”. Through this analogy, he established her role as the “cause of salvation” for all humanity and saw her as a model for the Church.
Another student of John, Saint Ignatius of Antioch, who is believed to be the boy mentioned in Matthew 18:3, viewed Mary as the perpetual virgin who gave birth to Jesus, emphasizing her virginal conception and the reality of Christ’s humanity. He wrote that her virginity, birth, and Christ’s death were “three mysteries loudly proclaimed, but wrought in the silence of God”. His writings helped defend the truth of the Incarnation against early heretical views that denied Christ’s full humanity.
The early church fathers are a true treasure where we find so many tenants of our faith proclaimed from the very start. Thank you for bringing them to our attention in this discussion!
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