{Adventist Caucus} 1844 Made Simple

When you read the bible one point comes through, there is a judgment or judgments. We find it over and over again in scripture.

Just look at these few texts and you tell me whether or not they talk about some kind of judgment, end time judgment or judgments, a judgment by works as well.

2nd corinthians 5 10: for we must all appear before the judgment seat of christ that everyone may receive the things done in the body according to what he has done whether it good or bad.

Revelation 22 12: and behold i am coming quickly and my reward is with me to give everyone according to his work.

Matthew 12 36 but i say unto you that every idle word that men shall speak they shall give an account thereof in the day of judgment and a powerful one, Ecclesiastes 12 14 for God shall bring every work into judgment with every secret thing whether it be good or whether it be evil.

Now folks, these are just a few of many many texts that not only talk about judgment but a judgment by works a judgment about our lives our idol words a judgment on how we lived but you know that presents a problem doesn't it?

And that's because we're saved by grace by faith without the deeds of the law i mean after all isn't that what the gospel is all about?

I mean come on who is going to stand when every secret thing when every idle word will be brought in judgment.... (continued below)

He adds:

"i'm in trouble for what i've done publicly much less privately so how then can we stand how are we to reconcile the idea of judgment with the idea of grace......Now folks this is not nor it has been only a seventh-day adventist question on the contrary christian literature through the centuries has wrestled with this issue..... .......How to reconcile salvation by faith and judgment by works two doctrines clearly taught in the bible evangelical literature is filled with their best theologians wrestling with this difficult question but guess what... i believe that as a seventh-day adventist we have the key to help unlock the challenge presented here between judgment by works and salvation."

Cliff Goldstein was a secular non believing Jew who discovered the Seventh day Adventist message and he has quite a testimony.

The Bibles scholarship of the Adventist church is so impressive. It's so deep, so compelling, and we are not a perfect church. I could not belong to a church that thinks it is perfect. As Ellen White said....God alone is infallible. Amen.

The doctrine of a preadvent or investigative judgement is Biblical, the 2300 year prophecy in Daniel 7 is obviously Biblical, and prophecy is right on schedule. I would like to follow with another presentation by Dr. John Shin of Andrews University who presents Bible support that Christ did ascend into the most holy at his ressurection. But not to begin the Judgement which came later, but to annoint the heavenly Sanctuary just as Moses annointed the earthly sanctuary in the book of Numbers.

It's an amazing find!! God bless you brothers and Sabbath blessings!

___WTF does 1844 mean to anyone? If it’s specific to 7th Day Adventists then this guy is preaching to the choir. If is audience is anyone else he needs to explain esoteric terms.___

Yeah, so this is an “Adventist Caucus.” I suggest you read the rules for posting under a thread labeled as a “caucus.” Especially with your clear vulgar abbreviation.

The post was intended to share with my Adventist brothers and sisters here the clear Bible support for the prophecy of when the final judgement started.

For my Adventists brothers and sisters, here, as you know, It relates to the heavenly sanctuary which John clearly sees in Revelation and the activity he describes. In Revelation 16 we read “IT IS DONE” as an angel exits the heavenly Sanctuary.

The preadvent or investigative judgement is complete. all cases are settled and then the plagues begin. Similar to when God shut the door to Noah’s ark......all fates were sealed. Those outside could not get in, those inside could not get out. Revelation 22:11 describes this.

Of course the main criticism even among some of our own is that Hebrews shows Christ entered the sanctuary at his ascension, not later as we claim.

Well, I believe Dr. Richard Davidson of Andrews University has found the answer. In the book of Numbers we read that Moses himself entered the “most holy” and he was not the high priest. But God told him to enter and annoint EVERYTHING in the Sanctuary. And a greek word that Paul uses in Hebrews for when Christ entered is found only once in the Septuigent.....and it’s in Numbers.

So it’s clear Christ enters at his ascension to consecrate or annoint the heavenly sanctuary for his work as high priest.....and then goes into the MOST HOLY later according to prophecy to begin the work of the actual judgement. Just as Aaron did once a year .

Now we see why the throne of God in Daniel 7 has fiery WHEELS! There is movement in the heavenly Sanctuary.

I love our church! The Bible scholarship is clear present truth for these end times! Amen. and happy Sabbath!

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