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THE 'DOCUMENTARY SOURCE HYPOTHESIS' Does Anyone Still Believe the 'Documentary Hypothesis'?
ukapologetics.ne ^ | 2005? | Robin A. Brace

Posted on 01/26/2025 10:58:49 AM PST by daniel1212

Should Theology, Religious Studies and Comparative Religion Students Take the Documentary Hypothesis (JEDP System) Seriously?

Are the 5 Books of Moses (The Torah), a hotch-potch of largely unconnected writings by later writers?

The Intellectual Arrogance of Julius Wellhausen.

I recently wrote a letter. Upon reviewing my letter before posting it, I noticed that my letter was structured in 5 clear sections. In these sections I covered five different topics so my vocabulary naturally changed as I moved on to differing topics; in other words, my letter varied stylistically as I moved on to a different subject. I was immediately reminded of the 'Documentary Source Hypothesis.' I found myself musing on the ridiculous possibility that some "higher critic" might discover my letter in 1,000 years and decide that those five sections must have been written by five different writers (possibly at five different times) because of the stylistic/vocabulary changes as I changed my topic! Ridiculous you say? Sure it is, but this is exactly what some have done to parts of the Old Testament (attempts have also been made to undermine the New Testament in such a manner but far less successfully).

I want to introduce our readers to a number of links/writings which expose the sadly flawed Graf/Wellhausen Documentary Source Hypothesis.

Just what is this system (often known as the 'JEDP' system)?

The system arose in the 19th century and was the work of certain scholars who accepted the 'history of religions' school of thought. This was the application of evolutionary principles to the Torah (the first 5 books of the Bible). These people were very accepting of the principle of evolution and rejected any concept of a God who 'knows the end from the beginning.' They believed that the earliest form of religion was primitive and animistic with early man having no concept of One God (Monotheism). Therefore, they reasoned, the concept of One God found in the Torah was clearly an anachronism, being back-projected by much later writers! Their minds were already made up on this point before they even started their "research"- Of course, these people were not likely to accept much within the Torah in any case since they were mostly quick converts to the (then) fledgling theory of evolution.

These liberal scholars who were committed to Theological Naturalism - ruling out any possibility of a supernatural God, set out to deconstruct the Old Testament and were especially interested in the Torah since it appeared to contradict much of their dogma. I was exposed to some of this system when at University but even our 'dyed in the wool' liberal Old Testament lecturer presented the JEPD system with a mighty 'pinch of salt' - he told us that the system has been regularly revised by later scholars and that, while the basic schema is still accepted, much has changed within the overall approach, and much likely to continue to change. Our lecturer seemed intent on being postmodernist in approach and so he seemed to have a 'You can believe whatever you like' attitude. Not necessarily a helpful approach!

Hermann Gunkel along with others of the "history of religions" school assumed that many of the stories narrated in the final text of Genesis, for example, were taken originally from imaginary stories about pagan gods and were gradually transformed by Hebrew poets into imaginary stories about an imaginary Hebrew God in relation to imaginary patriarchs who were projected as founders of the nation. So, if we are to believe people like Julius Wellhausen (1844-1918), Hermann Gunkel (1862-1932), and others of their school of thought (in fairness, Gunkel, who was more interested in the Psalms, thought Wellhausen had gone too far in his literary claims about the Pentateuch), the Old Testament writers were utterly deceitful people with a complete disdain for the truth; moreover, we are asked to believe that a succession of writers over a very long period of time remained utterly committed to maintaining this deceitful and lying approach about the origins and history of Israel! But does that not fly in the face of the wonderful moral teaching (including the commandment not to bear false witness), which we find within the Old Testament itself? Does this theory really 'stack up' ?

Can we really accept the notion that the writers and compilers of the Old Testament were the biggest historical liars of all time? Or should we reconsider the credentials of the Wellhausen/Gunkel gang? We need to understand that people like Wellhausen, and then Gunkel, completely rejected any concept of a God who might inspire every word of Holy Scripture, immediately making the judgment that this could not possibly be the case, therefore any other explanation of the Old Testament was bound to be preferable.

Okay. So how did the 'JEDP' system work? Essentially, attempts were made to find different authors who had contributed to the Torah; this led to the breaking up of the 5 books into four sections, J, E, D, and P. How were the lines drawn? Differences of writing style and vocabulary were looked for (even though all of us change style/vocabulary whenever we change our topic in any written work). J (from the divine name Yahweh -- in German, Jahweh); it was said to have originated in Judah between 950 and 850 B.C. and pieces of it are scattered in sections from Genesis through Numbers. E (the Elohistic source, from the prevalence of the word Elohim); it was said to have originated in the northern kingdom of Israel between 850 and 750 BC. It too, is scattered from Genesis through Numbers. P (the Priestly source, so called because it seems most concerned with aspects of the formal worship in the temple); it was said to come from the exile or shortly thereafter -- sixth to fifth centuries B.C. Mostly made up of the genealogies and priestly ritual described in Genesis through Numbers. D (the Deuteronomic source, so called because it includes mostly just the book of Deuteronomy); the author or editor of this section was assumed to be responsible for the framework of the historical account that runs from Joshua through 2 Kings. D was regarded as having reached its final form during the reign of Josiah, when the priests "found" the book of the law ().

But not all agreed with all of the components, some thought 'E' was the oldest part but others thought 'J' the older part. Various redactors (editors) came along and added bits throughout an amazingly long period of time (according to the theory). Some even thought that there were two Elohist writers, but the work was so closely intermeshed with 'J' that attempts to separate the authors were deemed problematic. It apparently did not bother these Bible critics that sometimes violence was done to the natural flow of a passage, where a particular letter 'source' was thought to give way to another. I could go on and on... But there is really little point; some of the theories became quite extreme and bizarre and it is almost surprising that much of it ever won acceptance!! But we have to keep reminding ourselves that not one iota of real, hard evidence exists for any of it!! Moreover, indications of real unity within the first 5 books of the Old Testament are actually abundant, but - like the theory of evolution which it was largely based upon - it was the right theory at the right time for a group of godless and materialistic pseudo-intellectual 'scholars' who wanted to set up a wholly materialistic model of religious history, without any reference to the supernatural, and, yes, undoubtedly also wanted to make a name for themselves in the new academic world of 'higher biblical criticism.'

In 1966 Professor Kenneth Kitchen wrote, ' . . . Even the most ardent advocate of the documentary theory must admit that we have as yet no single scrap of external, objective evidence for either the existence or the history of J, E, or any other alleged source-document..' (p. 23, Kitchen, K.A. (1966), Ancient Orient and Old Testament. London: Tyndale).

That was written in 1966, but about 40 years later the situation is even more bleak since it is now obvious that no evidence to support Wellhausen's theory will ever be found.

The documentary hypothesis has a number of problems - some of which, the original documentary theoryists could not have been aware of in the century in which they wrote; Kenneth Collins points one out in his essay, 'The Torah in Modern Scholarship' (find link to the full essay lower on this page),

'The documentary hypothesis was originally based on the supposition that the events in the Torah preceded the invention of writing, or at least its use among the Hebrews. This is because Julius Wellhausen lived in the nineteenth-century, but nineteenth-century notions about ancient literacy have been completely refuted by archaeological evidence. The documentarians have not updated the documentary hypothesis to take this into account, so we still find them assigning very late dates to their hypothetical sources of the Torah.... Archaeology has shown that writing was common during the time in which the events of the Torah were to have taken place.'

My Old Testament lecturer was either ignorant of the much greater knowledge of the ancient world which we now have, or he was being disingenuous when he stated that the theory has been greatly revised, and will continue to be, but still stands. The truth is that the very foundation which the history of religions school was based upon (the concept that the earliest forms of religion were simple, naive and animistic, and that belief in one all-powerful God was a late arrival), has now largely been demolished! We know much more about the religion of the ancients than the devisers of the 'JEDP' system ever did. We now know that the belief in one all-powerful God is very, very old - just as Genesis claims! Many obscure and ancient peoples and tribes have now been able to put their side of the case, and the concept of one all-powerful God as an original belief is to be found everywhere. Some of these tribes have even explained how various 'holy men' within their tribes tried very hard to hold on to Monotheism, as more corrupt strains of religious belief - such as animism - later arose!

Today, in the face of evidence from archaeology, the Dead Sea scrolls, and much more available information about the languages of the ancient world, dependence on the Wellhausen theory is looking increasingly unfeasible and, indeed, inexcusable. We now have thousands of Old Testament texts and fragments to compare and in every single case the format found in our Old Testaments is validated - if the documentary theory were really correct surely some manuscript evidence would have been discovered somewhere to reveal the work of these dishonest men and their literary conspiracy? Is not the fact that conspiracies and plotters are always discovered one of the strongest lessons of human history? Let us remind ourselves once more that the documentary theorists never produced a single shred of real evidence for their literary theory! Happily now at last there is a welcome and growing trend among scholars to view the Pentateuch as a literary unit again.

Despite this, there are still websites around which present the Documentary Theory as though it was the very latest learning, apparently unaware that many of the points which they make have long since been disproven/overturned.

The tragedy of all this is that for over a hundred years many Theology and Religious Studies students have been indoctrinated in a system which wholly discredits the claims of the Old Testament to be the inspired Word of God. We have to keep reminding ourselves that Jesus fully backed up the truth and authenticity of Moses and of the 'Law, Prophets and Writings' (the Old Testament), by frequently quoting from it. He based His authority and credentials upon the Old Testament! And yet some who claim to be followers of Jesus have gone along with the practise of breaking the Old Testament up into these (purely imaginary) divisions and sections, even pontificating on whether or not Moses actually existed. There is now no need for such scepticism! How odd that a system can continue to enjoy some kind of existence long after its very foundations have crumbled!! The following links will take you to several articles outlining the serious inadequecies of the JEDP schema. Robin A. Brace 2003 [...]

THE TORAH IN MODERN SCHOLARSHIP By Kenneth W. Collins

ARE THERE TWO CREATION ACCOUNTS IN GENESIS? By Wayne Jackson M.A.

ESSAYS ON JEDP

A BRIEF NOTE ABOUT THE DOCUMENTARY HYPOTHESIS

DID MOSES WRITE THE PENTATEUCH? By Don Closson

THE GENUINENESS OF GENESIS (PDF) By Timothy Lin Ph.D. (PLEASE NOTE: This is a PDF file which has to be downloaded).

BIBLIOGRAPHY Albright, William F. The Israelite Conquest of Canaan in the Light of Archaeology, Bulletin of the American Schools of Oriental Research, 1939. Vol. 74.. Archer, Gleason Jr. A Survey of Old Testament Introduction. Chicago: Moody Press, c1964. Blenkinsopp, Joseph. Wisdom and Law in the Old Testament. London: Oxford University Press, 1995. Harrison, R.K. Introduction to the Old Testament. Grand Rapids: William B. Eerdmans Publishing company, 1970. Free, J. P. Archaeology and Bible History. Wheaton, Illinois: Scripture Press, 1969. Kitchen, K. Ancient Orient and Old Testament. London: Tyndale, 1966. Morris, Henry M. The Genesis Record. Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1976 P.J. Wiseman, Ancient Records and the Structure of Genesis: A Case for Literary Unity, Nashville, Thomas Nelson Publishers, 1985.


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While i believe that the creations events of Genesis may have preceded the invention of writing, and which were passed down, yet rather than the Torah being the work of scribes between 950 and 750 B.C., Moses wrote these events in a book. as God inspired Him, and thereby provided more and fuller revelation to Moses.

Which is God's chosen means of preservation, versus materially insubstantial oral transmission which is highly vulnerable to undetectable corruption (Exodus 17:14, 34:1, 27; Deuteronomy 10:4, 17:18, 27:3, 8, 31:24; Joshua 1:8; 2 Chronicles 34:15, 18-19, 30-31; Psalm 19:7-11, 102:18, 119; Isaiah 30:8; Jeremiah 30:2; Matthew 4:5-7, 22:29; Luke 24:44, 45; John 5:46, 47; John 20:31; Acts 17:2, 11, 18:28; Revelation 1:1, 20:12, 15;

And In the New Testament, the Holy Spirit who inspired it did not do so as if JEDP was correct.

1 posted on 01/26/2025 10:58:49 AM PST by daniel1212
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To: daniel1212
Note that liberal Protestant and Catholic bible "scholars" hold to this JEDP hypothesis, thus degrading its authority. However,

And Moses wrote this law, and delivered it unto the priests the sons of Levi, which bare the ark of the covenant of the Lord, and unto all the elders of Israel. (Deuteronomy 31:9)

And Moses wrote their goings out according to their journeys by the commandment of the Lord: and these are their journeys according to their goings out. (Numbers 33:2)

And he answered and said unto them, What did Moses command you? (Mark 10:3)

Saying, Master, Moses said, If a man die, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother. (Matthew 22:24)

And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away. (Mark 10:4)

For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death: (Mark 7:10)

And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake:) (Hebrews 12:21)

Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words? (John 5:45-47) Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? (John 8:5)

For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. (Acts 3:22)

2 posted on 01/26/2025 11:12:31 AM PST by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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To: .45 Long Colt; Apple Pan Dowdy; BDParrish; Big Red Badger; BlueDragon; boatbums; bonfire; Bulwyf; ..

ping


3 posted on 01/26/2025 11:12:56 AM PST by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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To: DallasBiff

I was going to post this on your thread that for some reason was pulled: Aerosmith “Train Kept Rolling”.

The Yardbirds - Train Kept A Rollin’

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cd1gRHk28IE


4 posted on 01/26/2025 11:14:07 AM PST by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ (Jude 3) and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: Jim W N
I was going to post this on your thread that for some reason was pulled: Aerosmith “Train Kept Rolling”.

Well it seems a mod or Jim has a strong dislike towards me.

5 posted on 01/26/2025 11:23:04 AM PST by DallasBiff (Apology not accepted.la is not the sharpest knife in the drawer)
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To: DallasBiff

It happens. Just keep on a truckin’ anyway...

:)


6 posted on 01/26/2025 11:24:16 AM PST by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ (Jude 3) and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: daniel1212

What is the current consensus view among OT scholars? Have they conclusively rejected the JEDP theory?


7 posted on 01/26/2025 11:26:17 AM PST by nwrep
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To: daniel1212

“The tragedy of all this is that for over a hundred years many Theology and Religious Studies students have been indoctrinated in a system which wholly discredits the claims of the Old Testament to be the inspired Word of God. We have to keep reminding ourselves that Jesus fully backed up the truth and authenticity of Moses and of the ‘Law, Prophets and Writings’ (the Old Testament), by frequently quoting from it. He based His authority and credentials upon the Old Testament! And yet some who claim to be followers of Jesus have gone along with the practise of breaking the Old Testament up into these (purely imaginary) divisions and sections, even pontificating on whether or not Moses actually existed.”
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The real humor here is that if the Hebrew Bible/“Old Testament” is as full of holes, in other words as full of lies and fabrications, as these people seem to think, then it isn’t just Judaism that is a false religion, it is also all of Christianity. The interesting thing is that Judaism can stand all on its own without any of its differences with Christianity mattering at all - After all, it is a coherent theology that stood alone for some 1,800 years before Jesus was born, and it still stands as such some 2,000 years later. However, Christianity cannot stand on its own, as so many concepts, including that of the Messiah (and, specifically, of Jesus being that prophecized messiah) come directly from Judaism. If Judaism is false as some of these “scholars“ seem to think, then so is Christianity. Logic permits no other conclusion. Well, except that these “scholars“ are dead wrong.


8 posted on 01/26/2025 11:26:36 AM PST by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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To: nwrep
What is the current consensus view among OT scholars? Have they conclusively rejected the JEDP theory?

Across denominations and Christian traditions, many old school mainline scholars still ling to it because that is the way they were taught and so a lot of academia, textbooks and scholarly articles still reflect this view. However I see a refreshing trend among younger scholars to a return to, maybe not a literalistic, but a more traditional understanding of especially the Book of Genesis.

9 posted on 01/26/2025 12:15:26 PM PST by fidelis (Ecce Crucem Domini! Fugite partes adversae! Vicit Leo de tribu Juda, Radix David! Alleluia!)
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To: fidelis

“ling” should be “cling.” Sorry.


10 posted on 01/26/2025 12:16:05 PM PST by fidelis (Ecce Crucem Domini! Fugite partes adversae! Vicit Leo de tribu Juda, Radix David! Alleluia!)
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To: daniel1212
Note that liberal Protestant and Catholic bible "scholars" hold to this JEDP hypothesis, thus degrading its authority.

Says who, besides you?

Once again you link to your own website without revealing the author.

11 posted on 01/26/2025 12:22:24 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: daniel1212

a lot of liberals do, its true


12 posted on 01/26/2025 12:39:44 PM PST by RaceBannon (Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for )
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To: daniel1212

What is the documentary source hypothesis?

Never heard of it.


13 posted on 01/26/2025 1:26:44 PM PST by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus)
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To: daniel1212

Ping


14 posted on 01/26/2025 2:23:35 PM PST by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: ebb tide
Says who, besides you? Once again you link to your own website without revealing the author.

? The author of the article is clearly stated, while if I am linking to my own site, then the author is me unless otherwise stated. Aside from that, I am surprised that you would support the 'Documentary Hypothesis.'

Deconstructing the Documentary Hypothesis - Unam Sanctam Catholicam...The entire JEDP edifice rests on a philosophical pillar of anti-supernaturalism. For this reason, the Documentary Hypothesis is incompatible with traditional Catholicism; in fact, it is a form of Modernism, insofar as it places the center of Old Testament religion not on the objective acts of God in Israel’s history, but on Israel’s understanding of itself or its subjective religious perception, a form of vital immanence. - https://unamsanctamcatholicam.com/2022/06/16/deconstructing-the-documentary-hypothesis/

15 posted on 01/26/2025 2:51:56 PM PST by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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To: metmom
What is the documentary source hypothesis

The documentary hypothesis is essentially an attempt to take the supernatural out of the Pentateuch and to deny its Mosaic authorship. The accounts of the Red Sea crossing, the manna in the wilderness, the provision of water from a solid rock, etc., are considered stories from oral tradition, thus making the miraculous happenings mere products of imaginative storytellers and not events that actually happened and were recorded by eyewitnesses. The documentary hypothesis, along with the JEDP theory, denies that Moses wrote the Pentateuch and instead ascribes its authorship to four (or more) different authors/redactors spread out over several hundreds of years. The documentary hypothesis is liberal theology’s attempt to call the veracity of the Pentateuch into question....
Liberal theology dates the writing of the Pentateuch from 400 BC, which is after the Babylonian Captivity. This means that Moses could not possibly have written the Pentateuch, for he died about 1,000 years before that. However, Jesus said in Mark 12:26, “Have you not read in the book of Moses, in the account of the bush, how God said to him, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’?” Jesus states plainly that Moses wrote the account of the burning bush in Exodus 3. To date the Pentateuch some 1,000 years after the death of Moses is to deny Jesus’ words, for He specifies that Exodus is part of “the book of Moses.”
There is strong evidence that Moses also wrote the other books of the Pentateuch, disproving the whole documentary hypothesis. Peter, in Acts 3:22, comments on Deuteronomy 18:15 and credits Moses as being the author of that passage. Paul, in Romans 10:5, says, “Moses writes this,” and then proceeds to quote Leviticus 18:5... - https://www.gotquestions.org/documentary-hypothesis.html

16 posted on 01/26/2025 2:53:27 PM PST by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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To: Ancesthntr
Christianity cannot stand on its own, as so many concepts, including that of the Messiah (and, specifically, of Jesus being that prophecized messiah) come directly from Judaism.

Indeed, Christianity cannot and does not claim stand on its own. For Scripture itself and most of it came before the church, and the latter was built upon the prophetic, doctrinal epistemological foundation of transcendent Scripture. And thus the appeal to it in preaching of the prophesied Messiah. (Lk. 24:27, 44; Acts 17:2, 18:28, etc.)

17 posted on 01/26/2025 2:59:22 PM PST by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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To: nwrep
What is the current consensus view among OT scholars? Have they conclusively rejected the JEDP theory?

Not the liberal ones.

18 posted on 01/26/2025 3:00:03 PM PST by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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To: daniel1212

But you did not reveal you were pimping your own website.


19 posted on 01/26/2025 3:06:53 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide; Elsie
But you did not reveal you were pimping your own website.

What? Just what it is with you that you repeatedly object to me liking to me own site without placing some sort of notice?! You think that when you post articles with hyperlinks then every one must be accompanied with a notice that it is to their own site? Really?

2. Do you think that when users like SunkenCiv place hyperlinks then he needs to place a notice for each one as to its source?

3. Do you think it is too hard to hover your mouse over a link and see the url in your status bar?

4. Do you think I always place a notice for links to other sites as to their source?

5. And or do you think I post them because I get some money, or sign ups? There are zero solicitations, or pop ups etc. Nor any malicious links. And Google ignores my site as it is. And do your relief, I have only has about 2 emails in 2014 to one of my pages.

6. And or d you think this anonymous author does it for fame?

And pimping is put down when one is posting just a portion of a article (not a post) in order to obtain hits, usually for remuneration/AsSense. I do none of that.

However, I do often link to my own pages since I know what I wrote, and how it provides substantiation to what I am arguing, and then can better respond to it versus work of someone else, and hope it will benefit others.

So just what is the problem here? You can choose more than one out of 6. Let us ask some others if they have a problem with hyperlinks that do not list the source.

20 posted on 01/26/2025 5:32:54 PM PST by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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