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To: Brookhaven
”The image could have been added centuries after the linen was first woven.”

So some guy in the 1300s went to the time, trouble and expense, to purchase a thousand year old piece of linen? Assuming he could even find something like that, why would he do it? To fool people 700 years in the future, using tests he could never even conceive of?

19 posted on 08/21/2024 9:31:32 AM PDT by Flag_This (They're lying.)
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Yeah, that’s a good counterargument. Forget this is a religious relic; just look at the history of forgers. None of them made much attempt to acquire materials from the proper time period until tests were invented that could differentiate such materials from simply materials that “looked old enough”.


26 posted on 08/21/2024 10:36:16 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Flag_This
So some guy in the 1300s went to the time, trouble and expense, to purchase a thousand year old piece of linen? Assuming he could even find something like that, why would he do it? To fool people 700 years in the future, using tests he could never even conceive of?

Sounds like a very scientific and believable explanation. That does it, your explanation is now "settled science"

--sarcasm tag required by law

32 posted on 08/21/2024 11:50:22 AM PDT by frogjerk (More people have died trusting the government than not trusting the government.)
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To: Flag_This

“So some guy in the 1300s went to the time, trouble and expense, to purchase a thousand year old piece of linen? Assuming he could even find something like that, why would he do it? To fool people 700 years in the future, using tests he could never even conceive of?”

I kinda love this answer.❤️

Good one.


50 posted on 08/23/2024 1:11:56 AM PDT by Beowulf9
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“So some guy in the 1300s went to the time, trouble and expense, to purchase a thousand year old piece of linen? Assuming he could even find something like that, why would he do it? To fool people 700 years in the future, using tests he could never even conceive of?”

It doesn’t have to be a conspiracy theory.

We know the shroud wasn’t found util the 14th century.

Some guy found a piece of blank cloth (of unknown age at that time) in the 14th century and decided to paint something on it—for reasons completely unknown at to us now.

Is that any less believable than: The burial cloth used by Jesus, due to a miracle, contained his image, and Christians decided to remain silent and keep it hidden away until the 14th century?

Jesus’ burial cloth is mentioned in the Gospels. Had it miraculously contained his image, it would certainly been mentioned by Mark, Matthew, Luke, or John?

Surely Acts or one of the Epistles would have mentioned it. Yet, it’s not mentioned at all.

I know something can’t be proved from silence, but it would seem to be a glaring omission from the Bible that such a high profile and unusual miracle isn’t mentioned at all.


51 posted on 08/24/2024 7:24:45 AM PDT by Brookhaven (Ted Cruz said Jan. 6 was terrorism; don't forget that the next time you vote.)
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