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To: ebb tide

He must be right because of the Roman Catholic doctrine of Papal Infallibility according to dogma prescribed in Pastor aeternus.


4 posted on 05/05/2024 1:57:51 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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opened the Vatican as in:
  1. invited them to live there?
  2. gave them Papal appointments?
  3. allowed them to visit?
  4. invited them in for counseling?
  5. invited them in to kiss his ring?
  6. something else?

    Don't care to sign up for the Washington Post, give them money or even give them my e-mail address.

7 posted on 05/05/2024 2:04:34 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (The politicized state destroys aspects of civil society, human kindness and private charity.)
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I see you still do not comprehend the limits of papal infallibilty.
8 posted on 05/05/2024 2:08:04 PM PDT by ebb tide
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Even if not infallible in all matters, he’s supposed to be the Vicar of Christ, representing Christ to the world.

Some head of a church.

If a non-Catholic were doing these things, the Catholics would be the first to accuse that it’s typical of Protestantism and what you get for not being Catholic.

Well, they are Catholic and this is what they have. The very thing they condemn in others.


14 posted on 05/05/2024 2:58:10 PM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus…)
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To: Jan_Sobieski
He must be right because of the Roman Catholic doctrine of Papal Infallibility according to dogma prescribed in Pastor aeternus.

Would it be fair to say that you've not actually read Pastor Aeternus?

It never directly uses the term "Papal Infallibility". Here is the money quote (and also the only instance of the term "infallibility" in the document).

... we teach and define as a divinely revealed dogma that when the Roman Pontiff speaks EX CATHEDRA, that is, when, **1** in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, **2** in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, he **3** defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals **4** to be held by the whole Church, he possesses, by the divine assistance promised to him in blessed Peter, that infallibility which the divine Redeemer willed his Church to enjoy in defining doctrine concerning faith or morals. Therefore, such definitions of the Roman Pontiff are of themselves, and not by the consent of the Church, irreformable.

I helpfully noted the FOUR conditions required for a Papal **teaching** to be infallible: **1** **2** ... so on.

That infallibility belongs to the Pope only when he proclaims a doctrine meeting all four conditions; it doesn't somehow inhere in him personally on a continuous basis.

51 posted on 05/06/2024 2:34:47 PM PDT by Campion (Everything is a grace, everything is the direct effect of our Father's love - Little Flower)
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