Posted on 02/03/2024 5:39:24 AM PST by Morgana
Agreed. It’s a tough subject.
As I have said before, going to such a wedding is like eating things offered to idols.
It gives others the opinion that YOU are giving implied consent to this travesty.
1 Thessalonians 5:22
22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.
Good point.
You may be saved by your works.
I’m saved by Jesus, and am eternally grateful.
See, that verse is stressing “faith.” It’s the faith that is saving, not the works.
Yes, we express our love for the Lord by obeying him. But it’s not the obedience that saves us. It’s the Lord’s grace.
I don’t want to argue. You trust your works, if that works for you. I’ll trust Jesus, because I know my works are just dirty rags.
people always leave off the last verse from that passage. The sin that caused the destruction of Sodom was doing an ‘abomination”.
OK, here’s more of that passage, including the “abomination” you’re looking for:
Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy. They were haughty and did an abomination before me.
So I removed them, when I saw it. Samaria has not committed half your sins. You have committed more abominations than they, and have made your sisters appear righteous by all the abominations that you have committed.
Bear your disgrace, you also, for you have intervened on behalf of your sisters. Because of your sins in which you acted more abominably than they, they are more in the right than you. So be ashamed, you also, and bear your disgrace, for you have made your sisters appear righteous.
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Maybe you’re thinking that “abmonations” are only sexual in nature, and that God doesn’t consider other sins to be “abominations”?
I’m not excusing sexual sin. I’m just saying that this passage appears to say that the sin of Sodom includes more than simply sexual sin.
No, I’m not. I’m happily married and have 4 kids.
Again, you trust in your good works to gain admission into heaven and rightstanding with God.
I’ll trust in Jesus, my Savior and Lord, and express my love for him by striving to obey him.
Hm. You write, “Trust in Jesus means you are no longer practicing sin.” So, you no longer sin? Hm. Impressive. Good job. As for me, I am in daily need of a Savior.
This is referring to the Levitical holiness code - the only sin called an abomination there is homosexual behavior. No of the other sins recited in this passage from Ezekiel are called abominations.
Modernism decrees judgement to be a bad thing.
Modernism is wrong ... judgment of right and wrong is necessary.
The book of Jude also also refers to the unnatural sexual desire of Sodom as the reason for its punishment by fire
Yes.
Not only peachy keen, but necessary. Failing to do so is abject cowardice.
Quote the whole passage ...
Dude. Chill. I’m not “practicing the exclusionary sin of homosexuality.” And even if I were, that sin would be no worse than any sexual sin committed outside of marriage.
The thing is, no “sin” will keep us out of heaven. Because no lack of sin will get us into heaven.
Yes, followers of Jesus strive to obey him, out of love and appreciation for what he’s done. But our obedience, or lack thereof, does not get us into or out of heaven.
Salvation is found in Christ alone. To say that your “obedience” earns you some degree of salvation steals glory from Jesus.
For some reason, you’re stuck on homosexual activity. And your being so obsessed with it is leading you into false doctrine.
A simple reading of Proverbs 6:16-19 ( https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs+6:16%E2%80%9319&version=ESV ) shows that God considers other things to be “abominations”:
There are six things that the Lord hates,
seven that are an abomination to him:
haughty eyes, a lying tongue,
and hands that shed innocent blood,
a heart that devises wicked plans,
feet that make haste to run to evil,
a false witness who breathes out lies,
and one who sows discord among brothers.
In the end, God is concerned not about where you put your penis. He’s concerned about where you put your heart. And salvation isn’t found in what you do with your penis. Salvation is found in what you do with your heart — surrender it to the Lord, or continue on your path to damnation.
And, again, yes, I affirm that those who follow Jesus will strive to obey him, with their sexuality among other things. But that *follows* salvation; it does not *precede* salvation.
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