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[Catholic Caucus] Vatican Clarifies the Clarification of Blessing “Same-Sex Couples”
One Peter Five ^ | January 4, 2024 | T.S. Flanders

Posted on 01/04/2024 9:17:43 AM PST by ebb tide

[Catholic Caucus] Vatican Clarifies the Clarification of Blessing “Same-Sex Couples”

Tucho locutus est (again)

No. Yes. Maybe?

The first time Tucho “Heal Me with Your Mouth” Fernández made the Roman Pontiff contradict himself, he added his own “Roma locuta est”:

Thus, beyond the guidance provided above, no further responses should be expected about possible ways to regulate details or practicalities regarding blessings of this type.

As if the definitive nature of that statement wasn’t enough, he thought it necessary to clarify the clarification (again).

Yet again, a member Pope Francis’s inner circle, the late Cardinal Pell has been proved right:

Commentators of every school, if for different reasons, with the possible exception of Father Spadaro, SJ, agree that this pontificate is a disaster in many or most respects; a catastrophe… Previously it was: “Roma locuta. Causa finita est.” Today it is: “Roma loquitur. Confusio augetur.”

The good Irish priest Fr. Gerald Murray, a regular on EWTN put it plainly:

So what does the new clarification of the clarification say?

First, it says “calm down you!” to all critics, which includes Cardinals and bishops worldwide:

We are writing this Press Release to help clarify the reception of Fiducia supplicans, while recommending at the same time a full and calm reading of the Declaration so as to better understand its meaning and purpose (emphasis added).

Thank you, Tucho. Now that I’m calm, I’m sure everything will work out.

He says that the reactions of bishops has been “understandable” but “cannot be interpreted as doctrinal opposition, because the document is clear and definitive about marriage and sexuality” and then repeats the bones of orthodoxy that he threw at us, while contradicting the same in practice.

Tucho then takes a veiled shot at his predecessor, Cardinal Müller, who called the blessing of same-sex couples “blasphemy”:

Evidently, there is no room to distance ourselves doctrinally from this Declaration or to consider it heretical, contrary to the Tradition of the Church or blasphemous.

Please don’t insult our intelligence, Tucho. How much more condescending can you get? Your own predecessor is condemning this.

He then continues and summarises the text of Fiducia:

The Declaration contains a proposal for short and simple pastoral blessings (neither liturgical nor ritualised) of couples in irregular situations (but not of their unions), underlining that these are blessings without a liturgical format which neither approve nor justify the situation in which these people find themselves.

As we said before, the 2021 document disallowed blessing “same-sex couples” because these “couples” don’t even exist. Only individual persons can be blessed. But Fiducia claims that “same-sex couples” exist, and they can be blessed but “not their unions,” says the new clarification of the clarification.

What then is a couple? How does a “couple” come into existence except that they have some “union” which unites two individuals into a couple?

1 + 1 = 2.

Tucho is claiming you can have a “2” without a “plus” in between the two “1s.”

This is not explained, but the bare claim is asserted as a “development” in the original Fiducia.

Then Tucho outlines how we are to submit ourselves to what he has previously termed “the doctrine of the Holy Father”:

Some Bishops, for example, have established that each priest must carry out the work of discernment and that he may, however, perform these blessings only in private. None of this is problematic if it is expressed with due respect for a text signed and approved by the Supreme Pontiff himself, while attempting in some way to accommodate the reflection contained in it… Prudence and attention to the ecclesial context and to the local culture could allow for different methods of application, but not a total or definitive denial of this path that is proposed to priests (emphasis added).

OK, so in Tucho’s mind, we are all to submit ourselves to this nefarious document and implement it in some way, even though some bishops have flatly rejected any application whatsoever in their entire country. But here’s the rub: Tucho is claiming Papal power to impose this on every priest directly.

This is a blessing in disguise, really, because it brings every priest to decision time for or against Christ.

Tucho then issues a few condescending paragraphs to the African bishops, dismissing their concerns as merely cultural and legal issues:

It remains vital that these Episcopal Conferences do not support a doctrine different from that of the Declaration signed by the Pope, given that it is perennial doctrine, but rather that they recommend the need for study and discernment so as to act with pastoral prudence in such a context.

Thanks, Tucho.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Moral Issues; Theology
KEYWORDS: apostates; frankenchurch; sodomiteblessings; tucho

Tucho then issues a few condescending paragraphs to the African bishops, dismissing their concerns as merely cultural and legal issues:

It remains vital that these Episcopal Conferences do not support a doctrine different from that of the Declaration signed by the Pope, given that it is perennial doctrine, but rather that they recommend the need for study and discernment so as to act with pastoral prudence in such a context.


1 posted on 01/04/2024 9:17:43 AM PST by ebb tide
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To: Al Hitan; Fedora; irishjuggler; Jaded; kalee; markomalley; miele man; Mrs. Don-o; ...

Tucho Barf Alert Ping


2 posted on 01/04/2024 9:18:25 AM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Back when I was a Catholic, so was the Catholic Church.


3 posted on 01/04/2024 9:21:04 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: ebb tide
perennial doctrine

Hah! Perennial doctrine holds that sodomy is a grievous sin which cries out to Heaven for vengeance.

4 posted on 01/04/2024 9:26:11 AM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: ebb tide

Its the same obfuscation, confused language and muddled logic we get from leftist politicians

what a disaster Comrade Frankie is.


5 posted on 01/04/2024 9:31:53 AM PST by PGR88
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Cardinal Fernández: Bishops banned from ‘total or definitive denial’ of Fiducia Supplicans
6 posted on 01/04/2024 9:34:55 AM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

More word salad nonsense for sin. The salt has lost its saltiness. Matthew 5:13


7 posted on 01/04/2024 9:38:43 AM PST by con-surf-ative
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To: ebb tide

“Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!” - Isaiah 5:20


8 posted on 01/04/2024 9:50:12 AM PST by JesusIsLord ( )
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To: ebb tide; NorthMountain; PGR88; con-surf-ative; JesusIsLord
Here is the perfect blessing for gay couples

It should of course be given in liturgical Latin.

An illo benedicaris in cujus honors cremaberis

Which translates

Be blessed by Him in whose honor you will be burnt.

This is the traditional blessing of incense.

9 posted on 01/04/2024 10:06:32 AM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: ebb tide
I am discerning that me and about a billion other cradle Catholics are one hair away from abandoning this corrupt Rome-based cartel.

Some legitimate cardinal besides the Africans needs to grow a pair and put some loud and clear message out there for the real people in the pews before the whole RC church dissolves.

It is OBSCENE that no American cardinal has come out to bash and refute these heretics.

Keep it up, homos. Your day of reckoning is coming.

10 posted on 01/04/2024 10:11:17 AM PST by caddie
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To: ebb tide

If you seek a blessing for yourself, it is important for you to first REPENT, and avoid the near occasion of sin!


11 posted on 01/04/2024 10:45:30 AM PST by G Larry ("XFKAT" We can't keep spelling out "X Formerly Known As Twitter"!)
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To: ebb tide
The document insists that only individuals are being blessed, and that it doesn't change any doctrine, but then it says that it might be impossible to apply this non-change of doctrine in places where homosexual activity is illegal.

Huh? You can't bless individuals in places where homosexual activity is illegal? One part of the document or the other is dishonest. ("Both" is obviously a possibility as well.)

12 posted on 01/05/2024 11:16:55 AM PST by Campion (Everything is a grace, everything is the direct effect of our Father's love - Little Flower)
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To: Campion
The document insists that only individuals are being blessed, and that it doesn't change any doctrine, ...

That's not how it's been received by Bergoglio's troops on the ground.

Catholic priest wearing rainbow stole gives ‘blessing’ to women civilly ‘married’ for 22 years

13 posted on 01/05/2024 11:28:18 AM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

I know. Like I said: dishonest, in more than one way.


14 posted on 01/05/2024 1:31:34 PM PST by Campion (Everything is a grace, everything is the direct effect of our Father's love - Little Flower)
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