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To: daniel1212
Again, in the interest of completeness, I resubmit my post in its entirety (you have somehow managed to snip Ratzinger's quote again.) Ok, one more time, from the top:

Post#880 Here, where you emphasized certain points, it does appear that you “snipped” the salient point. In the interest of completeness, I submit the Ratzinger statement in its entirety (the emphasized by me salient point included).

“Before Mary's bodily Assumption into heaven was defined, all theological faculties in the world were consulted for their opinion. Our teachers' answer was emphatically negative. What here became evident was the one-sidedness, not only of the historical, but of the historicist method in theology. “Tradition” was identified with what could be proved on the basis of texts. Altaner, the patrologist from Wurzburg…had proven in a scientifically persuasive manner that the doctrine of Mary’s bodily Assumption into heaven was unknown before the 5C; this doctrine, therefore, he argued, could not belong to the “apostolic tradition. And this was his conclusion, which my teachers at Munich shared. This argument is compelling if you understand “tradition” strictly as the handing down of fixed formulas and texts…But if you conceive of “tradition” as the living process whereby the Holy Spirit introduces us to the fullness of truth and teaches us how to understand what previously we could still not grasp (cf. Jn 16:12-13), then subsequent “remembering” (cf. Jn 16:4, for instance) can come to recognize what it has not caught sight of previously and was already handed down in the original Word.” J. Ratzinger, Milestones (Ignatius, n.d.), 58-59. END POST

In other words, Ratzinger is saying it comes down to what your definition of “tradition” is. He is saying that he accepts the Bodily Assumption of Mary based on his belief that the meaning of “tradition” includes “the living process whereby the Holy Spirit introduces us to the fullness of truth and teaches us how to understand what previously we could still not grasp (cf. Jn 16:12-13), then subsequent “remembering” (cf. Jn 16:4, for instance) can come to recognize what it has not caught sight of previously and was already handed down in the original Word.” BBM

946 posted on 08/24/2023 7:40:16 PM PDT by HandyDandy
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To: HandyDandy; Elsie
“Before Mary's bodily Assumption into heaven was defined, all theological faculties in the world were consulted for their opinion. Our teachers' answer was emphatically negative. What here became evident was the one-sidedness, not only of the historical, but of the historicist method in theology. “Tradition” was identified with what could be proved on the basis of texts. Altaner, the patrologist from Wurzburg…had proven in a scientifically persuasive manner that the doctrine of Mary’s bodily Assumption into heaven was unknown before the 5C; this doctrine, therefore, he argued, could not belong to the “apostolic tradition. And this was his conclusion, which my teachers at Munich shared. This argument is compelling if you understand “tradition” strictly as the handing down of fixed formulas and texts…But if you conceive of “tradition” as the living process whereby the Holy Spirit introduces us to the fullness of truth and teaches us how to understand what previously we could still not grasp (cf. Jn 16:12-13), then subsequent “remembering” (cf. Jn 16:4, for instance) can come to recognize what it has not caught sight of previously and was already handed down in the original Word.” J. Ratzinger, Milestones (Ignatius, n.d.), 58-59. END POST
Again, rather than anything being changed by his desperate appealing to the premise that Rome can "remember" something , what I quoted attests to the fact I was substantiating, that that the assumption of an assumption is critically lacking evidence for in the hundreds of years after this alleged event took place, besides what it must rely on. Thus the recourse that Rome must claim to remembers something that relevant history forgot.

Thus thanks again for posting the latter indictment, which as said, is based upon Rome's own self-declaration of EPMV, so that according to her interpolation and interpretation, history, Scripture and Tradition on authoritatively means what she promulgated. As supremely summed up by Manning:

It was the charge of the Reformers that the Catholic doctrines were not primitive, and their pretension was to revert to antiquity. But the appeal to antiquity is both a treason and a heresy. It is a treason because it rejects the Divine voice of the Church at this hour, and a heresy because it denies that voice to be Divine... I may say in strict truth that the Church has no antiquity....Primitive and modern are predicates, not of truth, but of ourselves...The only Divine evidence to us of what was primitive is the witness and voice of the Church at this hour. — Dr. Henry Edward Cardinal Manning, Archbishop of Westminster, The Temporal Mission of the Holy Ghost: Or Reason and Revelation (New York: J.P. Kenedy & Sons, originally written 1865, reprinted with no date), pp. 227-228

1,014 posted on 08/25/2023 3:08:54 AM PDT by daniel1212 (As a damned+destitute sinner turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves souls on His acct + b baptized 2 obey)
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