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To: MurphsLaw

—> But absolutely, the Church teaches the Church IS necessary for Salvation

No church is required for salvation.

Mark 16:16 (TCENB): “This is a verse that some people believe teaches the necessity of water baptism for salvation. However, Christian baptism elsewhere in the New Testament is always defined by an outward confession of belief in Jesus Christ. This verse also regards baptism as such. The second part of the verse clearly teaches that unbelief alone results in condemnation (cf. 9:43–48), not belief and failure to undergo baptism.”

—> for 1500 years THERE WAS ONLY THE ONE visible, holy catholic, and apostolic CHURCH that people could see as the remnant of Christ

There was no Roman church as it existed after it bolted pagan practices into the church, and modeled itself administratively after the Roman Empire.

But God has always had His church of true believers - before Rome, during Rome’s domination, and after Rome’s monopoly was broken by a restoration of the Gospel.

Yes, Rome’s evil leaders slaughtered true believers every time they emerged - including their martyrdom of women and babies - but God used their blood to further His Gospel of Grace.


344 posted on 08/18/2023 10:31:18 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Ah the so called “secret church” that is hidden under a basket for 1500 years until Mad Marty had his revolution.

That is just stupid.

There is no historical evidence for this claim whatsoever.

It’s a method Protestants use to justify their rebellion against the church that has existed from the beginning.

Come back to the Church Jesus started, not Mad Marty.


345 posted on 08/18/2023 11:17:44 AM PDT by Texas_Guy
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

The NT is replete with churches only ONE of which was at Rome.

This business about Rome being the OTC, over all is complete balderdash.


355 posted on 08/18/2023 1:02:20 PM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.)
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