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To: aMorePerfectUnion; Georgia Girl 2

Which Church Did Jesus Start, According to the Bible?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3h5gWvrOO8&t=4571s&ab_channel=DTBM

In this video, John Barnett draws a timeline that lays out when each denomination was founded.
A denomination is man-made; the Lord’s church is not.
The apostolic church persisted for a while after Augustine legalized Christianity in 313AD.
John shows that the event that ended the persecution of Christians was…the persecution of Christians.
He also reveals why the early churches came to have altars, priests, clerical garments, etc.

What do you think of this logic?
Okay! Logic. You shall know the truth and the truth will make you free of deception.
Logic is truth.
Even so, they see but do not perceive; they hear but do not understand.

2 is a number
5 is a number
Obviously, number = number.
Therefore, 2 = 5.

If you buy that, then you will buy…

Peter is a rock.
The Lord’s church is built on a rock.
Rock = rock.
Therefore, the Lord’s church is built on Peter.
And remember, 2 = 5 is rock-solid logic.

So, lets get down to serious stuff.
It is the case that Peter is the rock upon which the Lord’s church is built.
It is not the case that Peter is the rock upon which the Lord’s church is built.

A logical proposition and its negation cannot both be true at the same time.

On the Day of Judgment...
It could be that one group will be saved, the other condemned.
It could be that both groups will be condemned.
It cannot be the case that both groups will be saved.


112 posted on 08/16/2023 11:29:17 AM PDT by NorthStarOkie (Satan doesn't have to lie if he can confuse us about the truth.)
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To: NorthStarOkie
Which Church Did Jesus Start, According to the Bible?

The eternal church of all true believers who are sealed in Christ for salvation for eternity.

Those departed members in heaven now.

Those on earth, called as saints, meeting in local fellowships.

The rest of your post is silly, frankly.

114 posted on 08/16/2023 11:36:11 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything)
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To: NorthStarOkie
It could be that one group will be saved, the other condemned.

No one will ever be saved by a church, nor a person, nor a denomination, nor by good works, nor rituals, nor by sacraments.

There is one group that will be saved, those who accepted Christ's sacrifice for their sins alone, knowing they cannot be good enough to earn it or He wouldn't have had to die.,..

And the self-righteous, who heard of his gift, but rejected it and preferred religion or atheism. They will not be saved and it will be hot for eternity.

122 posted on 08/16/2023 11:51:47 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything)
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To: NorthStarOkie
So, lets get down to serious stuff.

It is the case that Peter is the rock upon which the Lord’s church is built.

It is not the case that Peter is the rock upon which the Lord’s church is built.

Now what do you suppose Jesus means when he says that Peter is the rock on which he will build his church ("Ekklēsia" actually, not church...his "following" that is...Jesus doesn't talk about a giant bureaucracy, does He?)?

Do you suppose Jesus means to exclude any accounts of his ministry remembered by and/or recorded by Matthew, Luke, Mark, John...and what about Paul?

Or is it possible that Jesus meant that Peter was going to be the leader of the Apostles after the Resurrection (which he was BTW).

123 posted on 08/16/2023 11:54:39 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (A person who seeks the truth with a strong bias will never find it. He will only confirm his bias.)
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