Posted on 08/04/2023 9:48:12 PM PDT by Morgana
In a recent sermon about one must believe to be a Christian, Andy Stanley flat out argued that we must not insist that Christians believe in the inerrancy of the bible in order to be a Jesus follower, saying that demanding potential converts believe the bible is true and without error is an unnecessary obstacle to them coming to Christ. Then he went on Twitter to “like” posts agreeing with him and saying all sorts of terrible things.
After the naked pastor posted this article praising deconstruction, Stanley offered that it (deconstruction) should be encouraged:
He then “liked” a comment by Mason Mennenga, one of the most radical xtian progressives on the internet today who has undoubtedly abandoned the faith and is NOT a Christian, having rejected nearly all its precepts.
In particular, Stanley liked many responses to Grant Castleberry’s defense of the inerrancy of scripture, including one from Ryan Duff, who says that the scriptures are not needed and to suggest otherwise is to engage in idolatry.
Then this response from Jennifer White challenging the notion that one must believe the bible is true.
He liked this post from Daywoo, who said that salvation is assured no matter what one thinks of the bible, presumably even if you believe it is chock full of errors or perhaps that it’s merely a collection of old stories written by fallible men that exaggerate and create fanciful stories that have no basis in truth.
Andy Stanley liked a post saying that those who insist on the inerrancy and infallibility of the scripture are harboring personal and spiritual insecurity, and that inerrancy and infallibility are just an evangelical “schtick:
He liked this one by Social Conserv, and another by They’retic, saying that Paul wouldn’t have been arrogant enough to consider his letter to Timothy ‘scripture’. Yet Paul believed that Jesus had granted him divine authority to impart the Word of God on Jesus’ behalf. He refers to his own writings as a ‘command’ of the Lord in 1 Corinthians 14:36-37 “If anyone thinks they are a prophet or otherwise gifted by the Spirit, let them acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord’s command. But if anyone ignores this, they will themselves be ignored” and then later wrote in Thessalonians 2:13 “And we also thank God continually because, when you received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as a human word, but as it actually is, the word of God, which is indeed at work in you who believe.”
Lastly, Andy Stanley liked a comment by Jerry Malone calling fundamentalism a “failed experiment.”
Bonus: The end result of Stanley giving his congregants, church leaders, and pastors permission to reject biblical inerrancy:
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“...inerrancy...”
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Isn’t that something like infallibility?
I need you all to explain this nonsense to me
Well, first of all,
I have a problem accepting a talking snake in the garden of eden...
If that makes me a denier of inerrancy, then so be it.
This is the guy who says gays go to heaven
Stanley went woke - just like a lot of new pastors. My previous church went woke after George Floyd, and 25-30% of the congregation left (including me); but still they persist … just like Bud Light, this is a permanent schism …
I think he is, yes, along with John Pavlovlitz and buffet slayer William Barber.
Has been the prime example gor many years
Charles Stanley should have never let Andy Stanley get into that pulpit
Kinda like cousins.
“Charles Stanley should have never let Andy Stanley get into that pulpit”
A preacher doesn’t have much control over what his adult kids do. Ask my dad. LOL!
I might include the board of that church for letting Andy Stanley into the pulpit
It was not a talking snake, it was Satan or one of his minions appearing as a talking snake.
They are very different.
If you are thinking of “infallibility” as in RC Popes ….. “infallibility” is referring to a human who is incapable of perfection, but “inerrancy” is referring to the Bible which is the WORD OF GOD and perfect.
After reading about Dallas Jenkins I will now avoid “The Chosen”
Never saw and now don’t care to
“….demanding potential converts believe the bible is true and without error is an unnecessary obstacle to them coming to Christ.”
Who are they coming to if there is any doubt at all about His Word? Inerrancy is the keystone of the Bible.
Any “almighty god” who could not get exactly and precisely the words he wanted in to his book isnt almighty or god
So, what does it mean to be a Christian? What does it mean to "be saved"? Is believing the Bible as the inerrant Word of God a prerequisite to being saved?
Many of us have come to the knowledge of the Truth incrementally.
At what point were we 'saved'? All of us still - look through a glass darkly. What is salvation? My belief is that salvation boils down to believing Jesus is the Son of God who carried/took my sins for my redemption.
If a person believes this but isn't sure that all the Bible is true - does that disqualify him from receiving God's grace, i.e., from receiving Jesus?
Stanley's wrong to discourage and diminish a believer's trust in God's Word. He isn't wrong in saying believe in the Bible as the inerrant Word of God is essential for salvation.
We should all be encouraged to seek the Truth and not damned while we seek.
The Bible starts out with an almighty being SPEAKING all things into existence. There are in it 800 year old people. A heavenly bodyless voice coming out of nowhere and instructing humans. People being raised from the dead. A guy who is brutally executed rises from the dead and moves bodily to heaven. Offensive cities being destroyed by fire from the sky. The sea magically parting. A woman turned into a pillar of salt. Buy the premise, buy the flick, as the critic used to say. If a snake didn’t really speak then why should anything else in the Bible be true? If God is Almighty then how hard would it be for Him to get a snake or anything else for that matter, to do His bidding?
It’s called faith for a reason.
I dont understand any of this. my grandma was more informed than any of the charlatans
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