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"We Don't Want to Convert Young People to Christ or the Catholic Church": Francis's New Cardinal Denies The Great Commission
Rorate Caeli ^ | July 10, 2023 | DC Rosary Rally

Posted on 07/10/2023 12:38:23 PM PDT by ebb tide

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To: Hieronymus
Paul isn’t pointing to Peter in particular but rather to his own state???

To his own state of what? I'm not catching your drift here.

61 posted on 07/10/2023 5:37:23 PM PDT by BipolarBob (The Supreme Court just ruled that Family Restaurant doesn't have to serve orphans.)
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To: BipolarBob

His emphasis is that he has given up just about everything, far more than most.

While Peter certainly started off with a wife, he does seem rather emphatic just before they hit Jerusalem that he has left her behind.

While Paul contrasts himself with “super apostles” living the life of Riley, he doesn’t name any names, and certaily doesn’t single out Peter in this instance.


62 posted on 07/10/2023 7:02:57 PM PDT by Hieronymus
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To: Hieronymus
"he does seem rather emphatic just before they hit Jerusalem that he has left her behind."

I'm sorry, I don't read it that way. In fact it seems he's saying he is continuing to take along a believing wife. I know that goes against what Catholics are taught but I'm just reading the words as they appear.

63 posted on 07/10/2023 7:50:30 PM PDT by BipolarBob (The Supreme Court just ruled that Family Restaurant doesn't have to serve orphans.)
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To: Hieronymus
So, an eye for an eye then?

And you dont know farm animals.


64 posted on 07/10/2023 8:28:29 PM PDT by MurphsLaw ("14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”)
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To: BipolarBob
Bob, we are ALL ignorant in one way or another.
Everyone of us.
And yet, much is expected of those,
who have been given much. (Sic)
We ALL - myself included- need to reminded of that.


65 posted on 07/10/2023 8:45:01 PM PDT by MurphsLaw ("14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”)
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To: Bullish

Well, if you said get as far away as possible from the antichrist-pope I could accept that as good advice, because that’s certainly not where Catholicism resides.


66 posted on 07/10/2023 9:07:33 PM PDT by steve86 (Numquam accusatus, numquam ad curiam ibit, numquam ad carcerem™)
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To: cpdiii
I even suspect his sexuality based on his decisions.

European and American priests are suspicious. African and Asian priests are not.

67 posted on 07/10/2023 9:10:53 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MurphsLaw

Well you certainly like reminding me. Thanks for your comments. You seem smart.


68 posted on 07/10/2023 9:18:48 PM PDT by BipolarBob (The Supreme Court just ruled that Family Restaurant doesn't have to serve orphans.)
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To: MurphsLaw

A boat where an effort is made at sanitation (which I believe was the case with the ark) will be better off than a boat where no such effort is made.


69 posted on 07/11/2023 3:20:44 AM PDT by Hieronymus
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To: BipolarBob

You are right in the Corinthians passage that Paul is pushing forward a specific type of equity with Peter in some degree and not an inferior apostle—my bad for going from memory. And the Greek of first Corinthians does speak of being accompanied by a female companion (9:5).

I was thinking specifically of the passage built around Peter’s comment of Mark 10:28 where he speaks of having left everything, —with parallels in Matthew 19:27 and Luke 18:28, The Lukan passage in Christ’s response uses the same term in Greek that Paul does, which is often translated wife, but it means woman generically and wife depends on context.

In Matthew specifically the passage follows fairly shortly upon becoming Eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven, and that is the heart of the Catholic tradition—embracing celibacy on a permanent basis (as opposed to the temporary basis required for service in the Jewish priesthood). The Eunuch state is most easily conceived of, and in some ways lived, as being far apart from women, but through the Church’s history the relations have been more varied.

Pope Benedict had a group of four consecrated laywoman who lived in the Vatican who took care of his needs and the needs of his immediate “household.”

Life is complex and how people get through it varies. From Paul’s account, most of the apostles to some degree at some time led lives that were somewhat more complicated than what was done on the road to Jerusalem.

Paul does claim to employ a smaller support staff (or arguably no support staff that was not also self supporting).

That the other apostles are no longer as unsupported as they were when travelling with Christ is not per se a problem, but does set up a world that has details to get bogged down in it one wants to know all the minutiae about everyone.

Having the support staff also requires more self-discipline and/or structure if one is to live as a consecrated eunuch.


70 posted on 07/11/2023 3:56:52 AM PDT by Hieronymus
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To: hinckley buzzard

Gonna totally disagree, so you might not even want to continue.

NOTHING “existed” before ANY Prophetic Word came. God Himself spoke prophecy when he talked about the “seed of the woman” crushing the seed of the serpent.

Jesus spoke prophecy, both about Jerusalem 40 years later and about the end times.

So you can’t pull that. The Catholic Church is I think without any doubt the Great Whore.


71 posted on 07/11/2023 6:40:59 AM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually" (Hendrix) )
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To: hinckley buzzard
When Revelation was written, on about 95 AD, the center of the church was Jerusalem.
Pella, and its region, called by the Romans, Decapolis, to where Christians fled during the destruction of Jerusalem, remained a more important Christian center, even after the return of Christians to Jerusalem in 135 AD. During the late 1st and 2nd centuries, the entire region was subordinate to the Bishop of Caesarea, who in turn was subordinate to the bishop of Antioch. Jerusalem only regained Christian prominence under Constantine, but never again as a larger Church seat.

Early Christians considered Antioch, Alexandria and Rome seats of highest authority, as they were all thought to have been founded by Peter (Alexandria via Mark), with Rome of the greatest importance, given the acceptance (real or not) of Peter's martyrdom there. While there was general autonomy across Christendom, each church region was organized hierarchically, and general doctrinal consensus relied upon agreement by or acquiescence of the Bishops of Rome, Antioch and Alexandria, with Rome gradually exercising dominance. The issues of primary importance concerned suppressing heresies, determining the date/day of Easter, and maintaining orthodoxies such as the Trinity, virginity of Mary, etc., as well as overseeing regional bishop appointments (itself a matter of doctrine as much as exercise of regional authority.)
72 posted on 07/11/2023 7:19:47 AM PDT by nicollo ("I said no!")
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To: ebb tide

To find the truth, look for who or what is attacked the hardest by evil.

The gates of hell will not prevail.

May all of us, Catholic or not, follow God’s will for us and love each other.


73 posted on 07/11/2023 7:25:59 AM PDT by pax_et_bonum (“Killer rabbit jokes have a long tradition in medieval literature.“ - Dr. James Wade)
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To: BipolarBob
You know I am a fan.
🙂
74 posted on 07/11/2023 7:45:39 AM PDT by MurphsLaw ("14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”)
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To: ebb tide

This creep is only repeating what fake pope Bergoglio has said many times. He has also it’s a sin to try and convert anyone to Catholicism because all faiths are the same. It’s called a one world religion and fake pope Frank is a big proponent of it.


75 posted on 07/11/2023 8:45:03 AM PDT by NKP_Vet (Catholic-lite Equals Catholic ZERO)
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To: MurphsLaw
You know I am a fan.

Yes you are. And you know what they say about fans. They're always stirring and blowing things up.

jk

76 posted on 07/11/2023 9:30:09 AM PDT by BipolarBob (The Supreme Court just ruled that Family Restaurant doesn't have to serve orphans.)
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To: BipolarBob
Well yes,
but also- summertime's here, something to keep you cool....


77 posted on 07/11/2023 10:43:10 AM PDT by MurphsLaw ("14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”)
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