Posted on 06/18/2023 5:07:49 AM PDT by vespa300
Have you read Josephus?
And He has 4 Sabbath Days every month.
Those days are His 8th,15th,22nd,29th, according to scripture.
The 8th day of His months, the Day the Lamb was circumcised after being born on the Day of the New Moon.
The 15th day of His months, the Day the Lamb rested in the Tomb, from all His work.
The 22nd day of His months, when the Lamb, on the last and Great Day, the 8th of the Feast, stood up and declared that
If anyone thirsts, let him come to me and drink. Whoever believes in me, as[a] the Scripture has said, ‘Out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.
The 29th day of His month. When the Lamb’s Holy Spirit came down and fell on His believers, and about 3,000 were saved..
(Same day Moses came down with the 2 tables of the Covenant, the 10 Commandments, and about 3,000 were slain)
Each of those 7th Days have 6 work days that precede the 7th on His calendar.
4 even weeks of 6 work days plus the 7th Sabbath, after the Day of the New Moon each month..
24 work days each month
4 7th Day Sabbaths each month
A New Moon Day at the start of each month.
If those numbers don’t sound familiar, see Revelation and the Throne, the 24 elders and the 4 Beasts.
And the Lamb in the middle..
The 14th Day, Passover, happens to be the 6th and final Work day of His 2nd work week every month.
And is the middle of His months, every month..
It’s a pattern Judaism can’t teach Christianity.
And yet, it’s really a pattern Christianity could teach Judaism, if Christianity followed the Lamb instead of following Rome..
The Son of Man is truly Master of the Sabbath...
Also see, no Friday, Saturday, Sunday needed.
Just numbers. And days like 14th-Passover (6th Day), 15thUnleavened Bread 7th Day Sabbath, 16-First Fruits (1st day)
His three days is the True 6th,7th,1st.
Friday, Saturday, Sunday are counterfeits to His Truth.
Passover was on a Woden’s day (death of Lamb, 6th work day)
Unleavened Bread was on a Thor’s Day (Lamb resting,Sabbath)
First Fruits was on Good Frigg Day (Lamb Resurrection)
If one didn’t know any better, one would see that as two different versions of The Word Made Flesh..
Which version does the world tend to follow today?
The world proves daily,weekly,monthly, annually what version they buy and sell..
Paul’s first chief importance of the gospel has been changed by Rome with its false Friday, Saturday Sunday..
Paul’s Jesus and Rome’s Jesus aren’t the same.
Paul has the Passover Lamb.
Rome has another Lamb that it sells..
And the whole world actually follows Rome. Even Islam and Judaism..
Because they don’t have the Son.. or His New Moon Day, or His work days, or His Sabbaths.
They truly fulfill the prophecy that Satan deceives the whole world...
So does the whole world..
I’ve read Ezekiel.
And followed the pattern in the scriptures..
That's "shallow, superficial nonsensical " as you say...
I now realize that follows along the
same misguided thinking as your
" the resurrection was just an event"...
Mosaic law rules!
Got it.
As you say though you are a "Protestant"-
which is more important than being Christian it seems...
So good for you then.
Give us the rest of those verses!
20 For I say unto you, That except YOUR righteousness shall EXCEED THE RIGHTEOUSNESS of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Have YOU reached this standard of righteousness yet?
That is why we place our salvation not in a day but in the shed blood of Christ.
Galatians 2:21 King James Version (KJV)
I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Acts 13:39
38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
I will stick with St Paul and the Gospel preached after Christ rose from the dead.
Like many things in scripture, I see through a glass darkly. We could debate Matthew 5 til kingdom come. It's interesting that Jesus qualifies His teaching saying: "For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.. I'm in the camp that believes when Jesus said "It is Finished" everything was accomplished. You and are are waiting for the manifestation of what has already been done.
IMHO - Paul is THE theologian when it comes to contrasting the Law from the gospel of Grace & Truth.
"Nevertheless, knowing that a person is not justified by works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the Law; since by works of the Law no flesh will be justified." - Gal 2:16
The same Paul says in 1 Tim. 1:8-11 "Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it legitimately. We realize that law is not enacted for the righteous, but for the lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinful, for the unholy and profane, for killers of father or mother, for murderers, for the sexually immoral, for homosexuals, for slave traders and liars and perjurers, and for anyone else who is averse to sound teaching that agrees with the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted."
Hebrews offers an interesting contrast, analogy if you will, between the Law and (Grace & Truth): "For you have not come to a mountain that can be touched and to a blazing fire, and to darkness and gloom and whirlwind, and to the blast of a trumpet and the sound of words which sound was such that those who heard begged that no further word be spoken to them. For they could not bear the command, “If even a beast touches the mountain, it will be stoned.” And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, “I am full of fear and trembling.” But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the Judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks better than the blood of Abel.” - Hebrews 12:18-24 This text is making a contrast between Mount Sinai where the children of Israel stood before God to get the Ten Commandments and Mount Zion where Jesus was crucified and rose and is going to return for His church. It's of further interest that scripture tells us 3000 died following the giving of the Law. When Peter preached the gospel on Pentecost following the Church's infilling of the Holy Spirit - 3000 were saved in Jerusalem (on Mt. Zion).
To conclude: The Law serves to convict me of sin; Jesus serves to save me from sin and give me eternal life.
>>>Ahh, yes... the cup which was poured out for us... which
+++”IS the new covenant in my blood.” (That some guy promised us)...>>>
Typical, take a statement, place it out of the context of the discussion and try to prove something.
Typical. Talking about new covenant “theology” . You know, the theology that says Jesus fulfilled the law so we can disobey it. That idiotic theology.
The Sabbath was made for man, NOT FOR THE JEW.
——>I’m in the camp that believes when Jesus said “It is Finished” everything was accomplished.
That’s not what the text says or even implies.
But, this is:
“For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away...”
(Judgment), new heaven and new earth. ACCOMPLISHED.
If you didn’t hate God’s law, you would be able to clearly see your error. We are to internalize God’s law into our minds and hearts, then ACT ACCORDINGLY. If we claim to know Him, WE WILL KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS. The New Covenant is based on this very simple concept.
20. Your righteousness. It should be remembered that Christ was addressing the newly appointed inner circle of disciples, the Twelve, in particular, and all others who were prospective citizens of the newly established kingdom (see on v. 1). Christ here sets forth in unmistakable language the lofty standard of citizenship.
Exceed. The “righteousness” of citizens of the kingdom of heaven must surpass that of the scribes, the official expositors of the law, and of the Pharisees, who affected superior piety (see p. 51). It was as if, in an athletic contest, the disciples as amateurs were pitted against professionals and champions, and told that the least they must do is to excel the champions.
The righteousness. The righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees consisted in external adherence to the letter of the law; Christ called for insight into, and cooperation with, the underlying principles of the law. Like some modern religionists, the scribes made allowance for the weaknesses of human nature, so minimizing the seriousness of sin. Thereby they made it easy to disobey God, and encouraged men to do so (cf. GC 572). They taught that a man is to be judged by a majority of his deeds; that is, if his “good” deeds are in excess of his evil deeds, God will adjudge him righteous (Mishnah Aboth 3. 16, Soncino ed. of the Talmud, pp. 38, 39). To compensate for evil acts, they prescribed a system of works-righteousness, by means of which a person might earn sufficient merit to outweigh the unfavorable balance in his record. The Pharisees thought their system of works-righteousness a certain passport to heaven; in fact, that was their reason for being Pharisees. Here, Jesus brands their system as inadequate to qualify men so much as to step within the kingdom. Efforts to attain righteousness through formal acts or supposedly meritorious deeds are less than worthless (see Rom. 9:31–33).
Scribes and Pharisees. See pp. 51, 52, 55.
In no case. Gr. ou mē, an emphatic double negative.
SDA Bible Commentary
Ceremonial
If you're referring to Matt 5:17-18, I wasn't referring to that text.
I was correlating Jesus' use of the terms "fulfilled", "accomplished" and "finished" as used across Matthew 5 and John 19.
" After this, Jesus, knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the Scripture might be fulfilled, said, “I thirst!” Now a vessel full of sour wine was sitting there; and they filled a sponge with sour wine, put it on hyssop, and put it to His mouth. So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And bowing His head, He gave up His Spirit." - John 19:28-30
You quoted Matthew 5:17 in post 54.
——>I was correlating Jesus’ use of the terms “fulfilled”, “accomplished” and “finished” as used across Matthew 5 and John 19.
I was correlating Jesus’ use of the terms fulfilled and accomplished, with regard to his holy law. Nothing changes until the end of this world after the judgment. His law is the standard in the judgment.
***The Pharisees thought their system of works-righteousness a certain passport to heaven; in fact, that was their reason for being Pharisees.****
So, can YOU meet the standards the Pharisees set up?
The words of Jesus: 1Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, 2Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat: 3All therefore whatsoever THEY BID YOU OBSERVE, that OBSERVE AND DO; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
Again, do you come up to their standards?
I like your quote on Romans. Now lets go to the next chapter.
“1Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. 2For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
5For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
8But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
5Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
I like the NASB verses better.
NASB: In the same way then, there has also come to be at the present time a remnant according to God’s gracious choice. 6But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, since otherwise grace is no longer grace.
——>Again, do you come up to their standards?
I am saved by grace, THEN judged by God’s law. That is God’s standard. I follow God’s standard. Do you? No, you do not, by your own admission.
The Pharisees thought they could be saved by simply keeping the law (works). It’s not possible. Faith unto salvation, THEN obedience to God’s law. It’s the only way (other than death bed confession, thief on the cross, etc..)
Saved by grace. Judged by the law. If Ravi didn’t repent, he’s in big trouble.
Josephus explains that the Jews ca. AD 70 did not use the Jewish calendar for secular purposes, only for religious ones. For secular purposes, they used, not the Roman calendar, not the Greek calendar, but the Babylonian calendar. I just thought that was interesting.
If "The Sabbath was made for man, NOT FOR THE JEW." why is there absolutely no record in Scripture of God promulgating it or teaching it or commanding it before Sinai?
And BTW, the Jews will tell you exactly the opposite. It is prohibited for a Gentile to observe the Sabbath in a fully-kosher manner. Do they not know their own Law?
——>If “The Sabbath was made for man, NOT FOR THE JEW.” why is there absolutely no record in Scripture of God promulgating it or teaching it or commanding it before Sinai?
Nope.
11. “The Law did not exist before Moses received it at Sinai.”
Answer: Wrong! Dead wrong! The scripture tells us “Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.” (I John 3:4). When Adam disobeyed God in Eden he “sinned” (Romans 5:12). How could Adam be called a sinner clear back in Eden if God had no law back then to define sin? When Cain was thinking about murdering his brother Able, God warned him: “sin lieth at the door.” (Genesis 4:7). How could God warn Cain he was about to sin, and then place him under a curse for murdering his brother, if God had no law back then prohibiting murder? And how did Cain, and “every one” else on “earth,” know that the penalty for a murderer was death (Genesis 4:14-15) if God had no law revealing this? How could God tell that mankind had become exceedingly corrupt and evil if there was no Divine Law that they had broken (Genesis 6:11-13)? What justification did God have for destroying the world by the Flood if the people were unaware of His law?
How did King Abimelech (the Philistine king of Gerar, a heathen) know adultery was wrong, and that the penalty was death (Genesis 20:1-7; 26:7-11)? As did Joseph (Genesis 39:9)? How did Jacob know stealing was wrong (Genesis 30:33; 31)? The answer is obvious, because God’s Law DID exist before Moses, before Jews existed in the world. God Himself said of Abraham that he, “...obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws” (Genesis 26.5). Did you read that? How could Abraham have obeyed God’s commandments and laws unless God had already given it to him? God’s Law, His Ten Commandments, did exist before Moses repeated them.
As a matter of fact, there were blood sacrifices in the Garden of Eden! After Adam and Eve sinned, God clothed them in skins that were taken off animals whose blood had been poured out as a sin-offering to God (Genesis 3:21); for as we find Cain and Abel offering sacrifices to God. How did Abel know to sacrifice the firstlings of his flock and the fat thereof to the Lord (Genesis 4:4) if there was no law of sacrificing and offerings? How did Noah know to take clean animals and offer them as burnt offerings on the altar to the Lord (Genesis 8:20) if there were no burnt offering laws?
How did Judah know that Tamar, being a widow, was to marry her husband’s brother (Genesis 38:8,11) if this law was not revealed to them? The fact is, Deuteronomy 25:7-10 existed before God gave this law to Moses.
How did God teach the Israelites about the Sabbath? God sent manna six days a week for them to eat (Exodus 16). But He told them to gather twice as much on Friday because there would be none on the Sabbath. The scripture tells us God gave the Israelites manna to determine if they would walk in God’s Law (Exodus 16:4). But Exodus 16:27 tells us the very next Sabbath they flunked the test, they disobeyed God by going out to gather manna on the Sabbath, they didn’t even obey God for one week!
So God asked them in verse 28, “How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?” The Lord didn’t institute the Sabbath and then one week later cry out “How long will you refuse to keep My commands” the very first time they failed! No, God’s commandments had been around for more than two thousand years by then. People had been continually breaking God’s Law from Eden onwards. Even the Israelites whom He rescued from Egypt were breaking His Sabbath Day! No wonder God said, “How long will you refuse to keep My commands?”! The scripture evidence is that God’s Law and His Sabbath had been around for thousands of years before they were reaffirmed to the Israelites at Mount Sinai.
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/sabbath-objections.html
——>Want to try answering the question? Where does your New Testament canon come from? On what day of the week did those people worship? Hint: it wasn’t Saturday.
It was the 7th day, which is SATURDAY.
What day did Christ raise from the dead? The FIRST day, which is SUNDAY. Ask any Catholic. Oh, yeah, you’re Catholic.
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