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To: marshmallow
Martin's pro-sodomy stance is well-known; Church Militant has documented it here, for example. The dissident Jesuit apparently has the support of the pope, his Jesuit superiors and numerous bishops.

So what, if anything, does the church stand for?!

19 posted on 05/20/2023 8:40:31 PM PDT by Rummyfan (In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized of man.)
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To: Rummyfan

Yeah, Church Militant showed me how evil the Catholic Church rulers are. I left the Church behind.


22 posted on 05/20/2023 9:33:32 PM PDT by Pol-92064
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To: Rummyfan
So what, if anything, does the church stand for?!

Understand this very well. Just because the Pope in a personal capacity stands for something, doesn't mean "the Church" stands for it.

During the Monothelite controversy, Pope Honorius played cute with Sergius and the heretics, and he personally favored a muddled definition that was tolerant of both orthodoxy and Monothelitism. For that he was posthumously anathemized as a heretic by a later ecumenical council with Pope Agatho's signature.

A former Pope was anathematized as a heretic. Let that sink in.

Now let this sink in: the Honorius example was front and center on the minds of the Fathers of Vatican I when they defined Papal infallibility.

Francis can believe what he likes personally. The Holy Spirit doesn't protect us from his bad personal opinions any more than it protected us from Honorius's. Theoretically, a future Pope and Ecumenical Council could anathematize Francis. Rather, we are protected from him *committing* the Church to those errors via a heretical dogmatic definition.

To answer your question...the Church stands for what it has always stood for and will always stand for.

24 posted on 05/21/2023 1:54:24 AM PDT by Claud
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