[A_perfect_lady]

As I've said, the quotes of those who look in order to confirm what they want to believe really don't do anything for me. They are very articulate folk, I'm sure, but in the end, they are just describing mindlessly whirling masses of flame and rock.

And to say that this cosmic splatter of matter "follows laws" has it backward. They don't follow laws. They behave as they do, and humans describe it, identify the pattern, and call it a law. Then comes the awe-and-majesty language, but it sounds very much like someone marveling that our hands seem made to fit our gloves.

[daniel1212]

As I've said, the quotes of those who look in order to confirm what they want to believe really don't do anything for me.

It is not about what it does for you, but what it does to your invalid attempt of denial

And to say that this cosmic splatter of matter "follows laws" has it backward. They don't follow laws. They behave as they do, and humans describe it, identify the pattern, and call it a law.

If you jumped off a building (don't) then on your unstoppable way down you might realize why somethings like the "law of gravity" are called that.

It's over. Your attempted argument actually only resulted in further affirmation of the well-evidenced conclusion of a systematically ordered universe, rightly understood, and for the finely turned conditions necessary for intelligent life. Despite your very shortsighted and superficial view.