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To: A_perfect_lady
Sorry for missing your post (had many pings lately)

Not only is the universe not particularly systematic, (from what I can see, it looks like an explosion in slow motion)

Which is simply a superficial look. The reality is, that rather than randomness being the overall state, the universe exists as an orderly system of orbiting bodies or otherwise predictable paths and in which what is seen as disorder is an aberration. To which even secular minds attest:

“The order of the universe is not an assumption; it’s an observed fact. We detect the light from distant quasars only because the laws of electromagnetism are the same 10 billion light years away as here. The spectra of those quasars are recognizable only because the same chemical elements are present there as here, and because the same laws of quantum mechanics apply. The motion of galaxies around one another follows familiar Newtonian gravity. Gravitational lenses and binary pulsar spin-downs reveal general relativity in the depths of space. We could have lived in a universe with different laws in every province, but we do not. This fact cannot but elicit feelings of reverence and awe.” ― Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
[Spinoza admirer] Albert Einstein observed, "We are in the position of a little child, entering a huge library whose walls are covered to the ceiling with books in many different tongues. The child knows that someone must have written those books. It does not know who or how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books, a mysterious order, which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of the human mind, even the greatest and most cultured, toward God. We see a universe marvelously arranged, obeying certain laws, but we understand the laws only dimly. Our limited minds cannot grasp the mysterious force that sways the constellations." , it is most definitely not fine tuned for life. If it were, every planet would be inhabited. As it is, they aren't, and even this particular planet is has huge swaths that are uninhabitable.

Context, rather than ignoring links. What is referenced is earth life, and while there are virtually no places on earth that lack life, and some form of bacteria may yet be found someplace else, the earth, and thus the solar system and galaxy and universe in which it exists, is uniquely fine tuned for the only intelligent natural life we know of. Meanwhile, if you want to belief in aliens based upon craft that defy the known laws of physics, then then at the least you should have no objection to supernatural beings.

The Universe Really Is Fine-Tuned, And Our Existence Is The Proof - https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2019/12/19/the-universe-really-is-fine-tuned-and-our-existence-is-the-proof/?sh=6ef154444b87

"according to many physicists, the fact that the universe is able to support life depends delicately on various of its fundamental characteristics, notably on the form of the laws of nature, on the values of some constants of nature, and on aspects of the universe’s conditions in its very early stages." https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/fine-tuning/ A listing of such follows.
A list of 60 aspects is by Ross, cited as regards the above from Ross is https://wng.org/roundups/a-fine-tuned-universe-1617224984 ,
57 posted on 02/28/2023 9:05:17 AM PST by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him who saves, be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: daniel1212
Thank you for all the quotes, but I don't really care what other people think. I care what I think, and I think it looks like an explosion of matter, some of which is whirling mindlessly around, some of which is just drifting, and most of which is utterly devoid of life.

I think if the universe were systematic and built for life, as I said, all the planets (or most) would be inhabited, and our own world would be much more inhabitable than it is. If you look at this mess and see order, good for you, but I just see a hodge-podge, of which one tiny, tiny speck is inhabitable, and only sometimes. The rest of it is freezing cold or blazing hot, or devoid of oxygen or gravity, and... we found a niche. Lucky us.

58 posted on 02/28/2023 12:41:31 PM PST by A_perfect_lady (The greatest wealth is to live content with little. -Plato)
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