Fear Of Bible Prophecy May Be A ‘Natural Response,’ But It’s Not Biblical

You need only tell me once. You could have pointed out the paragraph. Too much above me for that, though.

Are you referring to: Rom 9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

---->You could have pointed out the paragraph.

You could have read the article.

In Rom. 9:27 Paul declares that “though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, [only] a remnant [kataleimma] shall be saved” (see on Rom. 9:27). He is here applying the term “remnant” of Isa. 10:22 to Jews of his day who, as individuals, had accepted Christ as the Messiah. But it was as members of the Christian church, and no longer as Jews, that they had a right to this title. In Rom. 11:5 he speaks of these Christian Jews as “a remnant [leimma] according to … grace.” In chs. 9 to 11 Paul presents the Christian church as heir to the promises, privileges, and responsibilities of the everlasting covenant. Thus it is the divinely commissioned successor to Judaism as trustee of the revealed will of God, as the corporate representative of His purposes on earth, and as His chosen instrument for the proclamation of the gospel for the salvation of men (see Vol. IV, pp. 35, 36).

Regarding the remnant, what do you make of the following from Romans:

God’s Sovereign Choice
Rom 9:1 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
Rom 9:2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.
Rom 9:3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
Rom 9:4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
Rom 9:5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Rom 9:9 For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son.
Rom 9:10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
Rom 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
Rom 9:12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
Rom 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Rom 9:14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
Rom 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
Rom 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
Rom 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
Rom 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
Rom 9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
Rom 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
Rom 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
Rom 9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
Rom 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
Rom 9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Rom 9:25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
Rom 9:26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
Rom 9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:
Rom 9:28 For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.
Rom 9:29 And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha.

Regarding the remnant, what do you make of the following from Romans:

God’s Sovereign Choice
Rom 9:1 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
Rom 9:2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.
Rom 9:3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
Rom 9:4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
Rom 9:5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Rom 9:9 For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son.
Rom 9:10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
Rom 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
Rom 9:12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
Rom 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Rom 9:14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
Rom 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
Rom 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
Rom 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
Rom 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
Rom 9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
Rom 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
Rom 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
Rom 9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
Rom 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
Rom 9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Rom 9:25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
Rom 9:26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
Rom 9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:
Rom 9:28 For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.
Rom 9:29 And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha.

"(see on Rom. 9:27)"

27. Esaias. This is a transliteration of the Greek spelling of the Hebrew name Isaiah. Paul now passes from prophecies applicable to the calling of the Gentiles to others concerning the rejection of all but a remnant of Israel.

Crieth. Gr. krazō. The word indicates intense earnestness (see John 1:15; 7:28, 37; 12:44; Acts 23:6).

Though the number. The quotation is from Isa. 10:22, 23, not identical in wording with either the Hebrew or the LXX. However, the variations in form do not change the essential meaning of the prophecy.

Sand of the sea. Isaiah’s words reflect those of the promise to Abraham (Gen. 22:17).

A remnant. Literally, “the remnant,” meaning in this context “only a remnant.” The doctrine of the remnant was an important part of Isaiah’s teaching. It was included in his divine commission to be a messenger to Israel (Isa. 6:13), and he emphasizes it repeatedly in his writing (chs. 1:9; 10:20–22; 11:11–16; 37:4, 31, 32; 46:3). He was even instructed by the Lord to name one of his sons Shear-jashub, literally, “a remnant shall return.” Other OT prophets also frequently mention the “remnant” (see Jer. 6:9; 23:3; 31:7; Eze. 6:8; 14:22; Joel 2:32; Amos 5:15; Micah 2:12; 4:7; 5:7, 8; 7:18; Zeph. 2:7, 9; 3:13; Haggai 1:12, 14; Zech. 8:6, 12).

Shall be saved. The Hebrew reads, “shall return.” This return was not supposed to be merely from exile but “unto the mighty God” (Isa. 10:21). Hence the Greek translation “shall be saved” correctly represents the intent of the prophecy.

Post 145

For some reason I’m focused on 9:27.

Please give me a second to find in the posted verses what I’m focused on. Zero sleep last night and cat vying for attention.

Shouldn’t take more than 5 minutes. Sorry.

My focus and, of course, what I ask you to sincerely read:

Rom 9:4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
Rom 9:5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

Rom 9:25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
Rom 9:26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
Rom 9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:
Rom 9:28 For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.
Rom 9:29 And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha.

The Christian church, as heirs of the promises.

Ok. Are you getting that from verses 25 and 26?

Does anything look familiar to you:

Hosea’s Wife and Children
Hos 1:2 The beginning of the word of the LORD by Hosea. And the LORD said to Hosea, Go, take unto thee a wife of whoredoms and children of whoredoms: for the land hath committed great whoredom, departing from the LORD.
Hos 1:3 So he went and took Gomer the daughter of Diblaim; which conceived, and bare him a son.
Hos 1:4 And the LORD said unto him, Call his name Jezreel; for yet a little while, and I will avenge the blood of Jezreel upon the house of Jehu, and will cause to cease the kingdom of the house of Israel.
Hos 1:5 And it shall come to pass at that day, that I will break the bow of Israel in the valley of Jezreel.
Hos 1:6 And she conceived again, and bare a daughter. And God said unto him, Call her name Loruhamah: for I will no more have mercy upon the house of Israel; but I will utterly take them away.
Hos 1:7 But I will have mercy upon the house of Judah, and will save them by the LORD their God, and will not save them by bow, nor by sword, nor by battle, by horses, nor by horsemen.
Hos 1:8 Now when she had weaned Loruhamah, she conceived, and bare a son.
Hos 1:9 Then said God, Call his name Loammi: for ye are not my people, and I will not be your God.
Hos 1:10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.
Hos 1:11 Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great shall be the day of Jezreel.

Romans 9:

4. Israelites. Paul does not call them “Hebrews,” which would distinguish them by language, nor “Jews,” which would mark them by race. He uses, instead, the title that designates their position as the chosen people of God. As descendants of Jacob, who received from God the name “Israel,” they are heirs of the promises given to the fathers (Eph. 2:12). In the NT the title is transferred to the Christian church, which Paul speaks of as “the Israel of God” (Gal. 6:16).

6. Not all Israel. The passage reads literally, “for not all who are of Israel, these are Israel.” Paul’s meaning is that not all who are descended from Israel really belong to Israel in the full spiritual significance of that name. His purpose in making this statement is to explain how the word of God to Israel has not failed. The fulfillment of God’s promise is limited to those who meet the conditions of the covenant relation. For this faithful and obedient remnant the word of God will not fail. Of Israel. This refers to the offspring of Israel according to the flesh, Jacob’s physical descendants. The divine promise was indeed given to Israel, but that did not include everyone who could claim descent from Jacob without any further limitation. Paul has already explained that those who have faith are the true sons of Abraham (Rom. 4; Gal. 3:7–9; cf. Rom. 2:28, 29).

25. As he saith. Paul always seeks to confirm his conclusions from the OT Scriptures, especially when they might appear to be disputable. Thus he now shows that both the calling of the Gentiles and the saving of only a remnant of Israel had been predicted by the prophets.

Osee. This is a transliteration of the Greek rendering of the Hebrew name “Hosea.”

I will call them. The quotation is from Hosea 2:23, though not identical with either the Hebrew or the LXX rendering. As quoted by Paul, the Greek words read literally, “I will call the not my people, my people and the not beloved, beloved.” For the meaning of Hosea’s statement in its original context see on Hosea 2:23; cf. on ch. 1:6, 9.

27. Esaias. This is a transliteration of the Greek spelling of the Hebrew name Isaiah. Paul now passes from prophecies applicable to the calling of the Gentiles to others concerning the rejection of all but a remnant of Israel.

Crieth. Gr. krazō. The word indicates intense earnestness (see John 1:15; 7:28, 37; 12:44; Acts 23:6).

Though the number. The quotation is from Isa. 10:22, 23, not identical in wording with either the Hebrew or the LXX. However, the variations in form do not change the essential meaning of the prophecy.

Sand of the sea. Isaiah’s words reflect those of the promise to Abraham (Gen. 22:17).

A remnant. Literally, “the remnant,” meaning in this context “only a remnant.” The doctrine of the remnant was an important part of Isaiah’s teaching. It was included in his divine commission to be a messenger to Israel (Isa. 6:13), and he emphasizes it repeatedly in his writing (chs. 1:9; 10:20–22; 11:11–16; 37:4, 31, 32; 46:3). He was even instructed by the Lord to name one of his sons Shear-jashub, literally, “a remnant shall return.” Other OT prophets also frequently mention the “remnant” (see Jer. 6:9; 23:3; 31:7; Eze. 6:8; 14:22; Joel 2:32; Amos 5:15; Micah 2:12; 4:7; 5:7, 8; 7:18; Zeph. 2:7, 9; 3:13; Haggai 1:12, 14; Zech. 8:6, 12).

Shall be saved. The Hebrew reads, “shall return.” This return was not supposed to be merely from exile but “unto the mighty God” (Isa. 10:21). Hence the Greek translation “shall be saved” correctly represents the intent of the prophecy.

Comment (what’s your point) and I’ll respond.

May try give you a longer response later, if possible (dealing with epoxy resin), but for now:

There is the huge and glaring problem of trying to make the church of prophecy and/or Israel of the mystery Christ Jesus gave to the Apostle Paul which was hid in God from the beginning of the world. There was indeed the “small flock” of Israel, the remnant.

Israel: Prophecy
Church: Mystery