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To: daniel1212; metmom

“Rather, God willfully created a perfect being, with a perfect free will which potentially could become evil, which therefore meant this perfect being, with a perfect free will could make choices, and choose to disobey Good, thus resulting in evil. “

That is the most tortured abuse of the language I’ve seen in a long time. It’s almost as good as saying men can get pregnant and women can have penises.

So your perfect, all loving God created perfect beings and part of this perfection included the ability to do the most cruel of things.

Now THAT’S what I call “perfection” and “all loving”.

Moreover, being an omniscient being, your God knows that all this evil is going to happen and being all powerful he has the power to stop it but chooses not to.

Yep, it’s exactly what I would do if I was an all loving, all powerful, all knowing perfect God.

Is that what you would do?


62 posted on 09/25/2022 7:14:16 AM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you "care" ! Guilting you is how thery control you. )
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To: aquila48
“Rather, God willfully created a perfect being, with a perfect free will which potentially could become evil, which therefore meant this perfect being, with a perfect free will could make choices, and choose to disobey Good, thus resulting in evil. “

"That is the most tortured abuse of the language I’ve seen in a long time. It’s almost as good as saying men can get pregnant and women can have penises."

No, that is simply a false analogy which is based upon your false premise of what perfection MUST mean in order for your anti-theist argument to be valid. Biologically man cannot become pregnant, but nowhere are perfect creations described as meaning the inability to make moral choices, and instead to be as clouds. Nor does it mean that such created beings must choose to sin.

Instead, you are imposing upon Scripture your own idea of what perfect created being must be, in order to maintain your irrational argument against God.

"So your perfect, all loving God created perfect beings and part of this perfection included the ability to do the most cruel of things. Now THAT’S what I call “perfection” and “all loving”."

Likewise, you are imposing upon Scripture your own idea of what “perfection” must be, and “all loving” (contrived) in order to maintain your untenable argument against God.

"Moreover, being an omniscient being, your God knows that all this evil is going to happen and being all powerful he has the power to stop it but chooses not to. Yep, it’s exactly what I would do if I was an all loving, all powerful, all knowing perfect God. Is that what you would do?"

You mean "all loving, all powerful, all knowing perfect God" from whom comes every good thing from air in your lungs to taste buds and sensual abilities and sun and rain, and good laws, and both restrains evil so that the whole world is not a N. Korea while in much longsuffering allowing men to misuse His creation, and knows both all the thoughts and intents of man, and what all the effects will be of even your next step in this life and eternity. And omnipotent, so that you can make all work out for what is just, as well as showing mercy and grace to those who want Truth over deception, Him over sin. (John 3:19-21; Romans 8:28)>

You want to know what I would do if I were this omniscient omnipotent being? I would do what is ultimately that latter, while as an exceedingly finite person in humanity and history and in this vast universe, you cannot sit in judgement on any omniscient omnipotent being without presuming omniscience yourself.

69 posted on 09/25/2022 7:49:27 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him who saves, be baptized + follow Him!)
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