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Obviously, we are not healed as part of the death of Christ… and it will include a resurrected/transformed body.

Now listen to the simple wisdom of JVM…this is a bit long, but necessary.

First Matthew explains that Christ’s healing of the blind, and lame, and deaf, fulfilled this prophecy:

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“That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses [Mt 8:17].

“This quotation is from Isa 53:4. Probably this verse is used by so-called faith healers more than any other verse. They claim that physical healing is in the Atonement, and they use this verse to support their position.

“Let’s turn the pages back to Isaiah and look at this verse, because I do not believe it gives sanction to the modern healing movement at all. “Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed” (Isa 53:4-5). Of what are we healed? This passage from Isaiah clearly states that we are healed of our transgressions and iniquities. You say to me, “Are you sure about that?” I know this is what these verses are talking about because Peter says: “Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed” (1Pe 2:24). Healed of what? “Sins.” Peter is making it very clear that he is talking about sin.

“All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all” (Isa 53:6). It was your iniquity and mine which was laid upon Him. Obviously, Isaiah is referring to the fact that Christ would grapple with the great fundamental problem of sin. To contend that healing is in the Atonement is beside the point. So is a glorified body in the Atonement, but I don’t have mine yet. Do you?

—> “Also, a new earth with the curse removed is in the Atonement of Christ, but it is obvious that we do not have these yet. In this day when sin and Satan still hold sway, there is no release from sickness as an imperative of the Atonement. Why did Paul urge Timothy to take a little wine for his stomach? Why didn’t he urge him to get his healing in the Atonement? Why didn’t James urge the saints to claim the Atonement when he asked them to call in the elders to pray? (see Jas 5:13-15). Why didn’t Paul claim healing in the Atonement when he mentioned the fact that there was given to him a thorn in the flesh?<—

“And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure. For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me. And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me” (2Co 12:7-9, italics mine).

There are other examples recorded concerning this subject. Paul, in Philippians, had a regular hospital on his hands.

—> Epaphroditus had been ill (see Phl 2:25-27), and Paul did not use the Atonement to claim healing.<—

“My friend, we need to face the fact that it is not always God’s will to heal.

“However, sometimes it is God’s will to heal. Instead of going to a tent or an auditorium where healing services are advertised, why don’t you go directly to the Great Physician, the Lord Jesus Christ? Find out if the healing is in His will for you. I believe in divine healing but not in so-called divine healers. Instead of going to an individual down here on earth who claims to have power, I prefer to take my case to the Great Physician and say with the leper, “If thou wilt, thou canst make me clean” (v. 2). Then whether we are healed or not healed, He gets the glory. And we want Him to have that.

—> “Apparently, Paul knew nothing of this modern cultism of seeking healing in the Atonement. God can and does heal today, but not through so-called faith healers.<—

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Selah

Thanks bro. I’m sure you know I was not at all bad mouthing the points made by Frank. I was focused like a laser on one issue, and one issue only. That everyone will experience physical healing of everything that is physically wrong with them. You explained it far more eloquently than I could. 🤗 I was referring to your standard WOF people, Joel Osteen, Kenneth Copeland, Jesse Duplantis, Sid Roth and others. I am not buying what they are selling.
I even question their “faith.” I saw one essentially say our faith is in God, and some lady, with a lot of hair, said she didn’t know what that meant. Are you kidding me? First graders know this. That doesn’t speak well for them.

It is always Gods will to heal and He will heal all of us completely. The issue is the timing. Some of us receive healing in the here and now albeit temporarily because everyone will die eventually unless the rapture occurs in their natural lifetime. We (the Church) will all be completely and permanently healed in eternity. God does all things well in His perfect timing