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The God you can’t make up
Christian Post ^ | July 11, 2022 | Robin Schumacher

Posted on 07/12/2022 1:06:05 PM PDT by Heartlander

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To: TBP
The fact that the New Testament tells us about Jesus isn't proof of his existence.

"The Historical Evidence for Jesus' Resurrection That Even Skeptics Believe", by Gary Habermas.

21 posted on 07/12/2022 6:08:58 PM PDT by Hebrews 11:6 ("This is Thy pleasure, that Thou art my joy")
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“Today no competent scholar denies the historicity of Jesus.”

what a load of crap; many scholars deny at least the divinity of Christ; this writer is in no position to pass judgement on their competency or lack of same...


22 posted on 07/12/2022 6:29:02 PM PDT by IrishBrigade
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“what a load of crap; many scholars deny at least the divinity of Christ; this writer is in no position to pass judgement on their competency or lack of same...”

Historicity and divinity are two completely different thing. One could believe in the former without believing in the latter.

23 posted on 07/13/2022 7:55:48 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Hebrews 11:6

And that is a totally different thing. But you can’t cite a book of stories ABOUT Jesus to prove his existence, any more than citing any other set of stories proves the existence of the characters in those stories independently of other sources.

Christians too often get into the circular reasoning of it’s true because it’s in the Bible and we know the Bible is true because it says so. That’s not an argument that is going to convince anyone else.


24 posted on 07/13/2022 1:18:20 PM PDT by TBP (Decent people cannot fathom the amoral cruelty of the Biden regime.)
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To: Heartlander
He’s the God who is so contrary to what we’d want on our own, He has to be real.

That makes no sense. And it's also not really true.

25 posted on 07/13/2022 1:19:08 PM PDT by TBP (Decent people cannot fathom the amoral cruelty of the Biden regime.)
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That’s not an argument that is going to convince anyone else.

Of course--I've already granted your very sensible argument and moved on to the real crux (ahem) of the matter. Habermas is only arguing the strength of the first Christians' belief, which upon recent examination becomes more and more impressive--so much so that atheist scholars now grant it was substantively based, by eyewitnesses. So, it is indirect evidence of Jesus existence and resurrection so powerful it has convinced the most skeptical audience.

Ultimately, it always comes down to a very personal belief. After all, even if we had video documentaries depicting Jesus' earthly sojourn, they are subject to counterfeiting. Jesus' existence since then has been (somewhat) debatable, as He intended: "...blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed." (John 20:29) But during the coming Millennium, when He is ruling in person for all to see, no one will be able to deny His existence, His resurrection, or His deity.

The question then for everyone born during the Millennium will come down flatly, as it should, to the straightforward question: whether one will trust Him eternally, or not.

26 posted on 07/13/2022 2:37:16 PM PDT by Hebrews 11:6 ("This is Thy pleasure, that Thou art my joy")
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