Posted on 06/16/2022 4:46:59 PM PDT by ebb tide
VATICAN CITY (CNS) — Cardinal-designate Arthur Roche, prefect of the Dicastery for Divine Worship and the Sacraments, described as a “tragedy” the tensions within the Latin rite of the Catholic Church over the way the Mass is celebrated.
In a wide-ranging interview broadcast June 16 by Vatican News, the cardinal-designate said the tensions are “partly” due to having had two versions of the Roman Missal — those from before and after the Second Vatican Council — in use in the church at the same time.
“There’s never been a controversy about the liturgy in the way that we’re experiencing it today, partly because there has never before been two versions of the Roman Missal — the Roman Missal from 1962 and then the Roman Missal from 1970, which was produced with the full force of the Second Vatican Council behind it and promulgated by Pope St. Paul VI,” Cardinal-designate Roche said.
“It’s a tragedy that there is this controversy today, the so-called ‘battles’ over liturgy,” he said, “because the Eucharist is, by its nature, the sacrament that unites the entire church.”
He said Pope Francis tried to address the situation and encourage an embrace of the Vatican II reforms, he said, when he issued his apostolic letter “Traditionis Custodes” (Guardians of the Tradition), limiting celebrations of the Mass according to the rite used before the Second Vatican Council.
Still, the cardinal-designate said, the church must find a way to counter “one of the problems, challenges, of our age,” which is “the growth in individualism and in relativism, that ‘I prefer this.’ Well, the celebration of the Mass is not something to be a matter of personal choice. We celebrate as a community, as the entire church and the church throughout the centuries has always regulated the form of liturgy that it has come to believe is more pertinent for a particular age.”
Vatican News also asked him where he was and what he was doing May 29 when Pope Francis announced after his midday Sunday prayer that he would make him a cardinal in August.
“Actually, I was fixing a fuse in the cellar just before the Angelus, which I normally listen to on a Sunday,” he said. When he came back upstairs his landline and cellphone were both ringing. He picked up a call from the dicastery’s secretary, who “said to me, ‘Oh, Tanti auguri,’ you know, ‘many congratulations.’ And I thought he was talking about the feast of the Ascension, which was being celebrated in Italy on that Sunday. So, I said to him, ‘Yes, buona festa (happy feast day) to you also.’ And he said, ‘No, no, you have been made a cardinal.'”
Although as prefect of the dicastery he meets with the pope to discuss liturgical matters with him, “he’s also very interested in your opinion about other things,” he said. That is likely to continue once Pope Francis makes him a cardinal.
“As a cardinal,” he said, “you’re at his disposition, and you’re there in order to help him and not to increase the weight that is upon him.”
VC II Ping
A.) There wasn’t any tensions over the Latin Rite until the revisionist modernists came along.
B.) The vehicle of change of the modernists was Vatican II.
C.) The issue isn’t the Latin Mass, but rather the revisionist modernists don’t like the teachings embodied by and in the TLM, for the church has always taught “As we worship, so we believe.”
D.) The revisions to the mass were driven by a desire to make it more ecumenical to protestantism, Judaism, Islam, etc.
It all goes back to Vatican II.
The lie promulgated by the revisionist modernists (who infiltrated the church but leave other religions alone) is that the truth was hidden by the Church until Vatican II, the so-called “magesterium” promoted by Bergoglio.
Adam Mickiewicz, loved by revisionist modernists, wrote :
“We are not dealing with reforms, innovations, or religious revolutions, but we expect a new manifestation of the Christian spirit. ... The Christian spirit is ready to exit the Catholic Church: but the official clergy does not have enough light and heat to hatch it.“
The revealing of the truth, supposedly hidden by the church, was declared to have been accomplished by Vatican II, per John Paul II’s own words:
“Vatican II saw the birth of a new figure of the Church who had remained hidden in the preconciliar Church for two millennia.”
The concept that the church was merely outward, not true, and the truth must be shed of the church to reveal itself is Gnostic in thought.
But Christ Himself said: “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life... No man comes unto the Father but by me.”
Not an esoteric Christ, but a risen Christ, as shown when Christ told St. Thomas to reach out, touch his hands and side, and see that He, risen, had flesh and bones.
It is hostility to this truth which compels Christ-hating revisionist modernists to fight the reality of the literal death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ, and to try and replace the truth of the church of 2k years with human ideas and a man-centered mass of Vatican 2 that hates the Good Friday Prayer, loves the abomination of Nostra Aetate, etc.
To me, even tho I attend the Ordinary Form, the “tension” about liturgy is, 1st, caused by those who want to push the Ordinary Form on everyone, which has been going on since the introduction of the newer form,
but secondly and more importantly, *pales to insignificance” next to the crisis of teaching and belief in the Church. In so many previously Catholic nations we have a complete collapse of faith; in others we are losing people so quickly. Here in the US, many do not believe in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist and prominent Catholics advocate legalized abortion.
It’s like worrying about where to hang a picture while the house is being destroyed by an earthquake.
I just have to keep thinking about the Apostles....
Yeah, there were usually more like six or eight. The historical ignorance of these people is astounding.
Exactly what I was thinking. History started when I was born, right?
For the Franciscuria, history started in 1965.
I looked it up. Pre-reformation England and Wales, alone, had _five_ distinct variations on the Roman Rite: Sarum, York, Hereford, Bangor, and Hereford.
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