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Posted on 03/06/2022 11:16:06 AM PST by CharlesOConnell
Ditto bro.
The long and multiple posts go on and on, angry, repetitive, demanding, etc.
Better to move on.
What the SDA folks do well is to make corn brooms and drinking a cup of coffee when no one is watching.
Maybe this too?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Seventh-day_Adventist_hospitals
Also, I’ve never heard of a corn broom. I buy all of mine at Lowes or Home Depot.
Well, I would prefer everyone be saved, but some cultists just don’t want salvation. It’s the mystery of iniquity.
😀👍 My son is still flying regularly. 👍
Better to move on.
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Unless you want to laugh at them of course. Which I do.
I think I’ll fly to another thread.
All the life has been bashed out of this dead horse.
Only those who do the will of God will be included into the Kingdom of Heaven...
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Matthew 23:13
I think you agree with me on that. Believers of OSAS do not. It doesn’t matter what they do after they are saved by grace, they say.
I just finished watching a video entitled... Was Judas Ever Saved? A Biblical Refutation of “Once Saved Always Saved”. OSAS believers also do not believe that Judas was ever saved, and how could he, they say, he was called a devil by Christ and ended up betraying Him, and that is not something someone could have done if they were saved in the first place, let alone end up going to hell.
OSAS is a Satanic lie that will cause the loss of Salvation for innumerable Christians. I think we find common ground here. If you ever find the time, please watch/listen through it and tell me what you think. As a disclaimer I know absolutely nothing about the E511 site. But, he is spot on with this doctrinal error. He is very detailed in taking it apart. He brings out its false Calvinistic teaching roots and mentions popular authors, such as John MacArthur, as proponents, and gnostic influences. In fact, OSAS goes all the way back to the 2nd century (started by the gnostics). The first half of the video is basically explaining the errors of OSAS. The second half is specifically about Judas, AND, how OSAS fits into the the false theory that he was never saved to begin with. You may remember the laughter, jeering, and mocking I received when I proposed that Judas was saved in the beginning, then lost at the end of his life. MHGinTN lead the way on that, I believe. Well, it looks like I was right.
Essentially every argument for OSAS is BIBLICALLY refuted by this video. I watched/listened from beginning to end. It is sound doctrine. In a way, it’s sad commentary to the explaining of why so many Christians will lose their eternal salvation in the end.
I think you will find the video enlightening and instructive.
Regards
How is your Army grandson doing? My Air Force son is high above the fray. 😀 He made 1st Lieutenant. I assume your grandson did too. 👍
We’ll, I can certainly understand the entertainment…🤗
Luircin is right. Why don't you just be honest and admit you will reject/refuse out of hand ANY answer that isn't in agreement with your own? It would save everyone from having the same incessant arguments with you across threads in the Religion Forum. That is really what seems to me to be the bee in your bonnet.
I'm not going to be naïve and hope I can persuade you finally, but I think this may be another approach to your question from a different angle.
You contend there's a difference between "consequence" and "penalty". That may be true in many cases - for example, if I eat too much candy, I may get rotten teeth as a consequence but if I disobey mom and eat candy before dinner and she catches me, I have to go to bed early as my punishment (which would be a penalty). In the former example, there is a "natural" consequence to many things which are ways that God has set up to teach us right from wrong. In the latter example, we have rules/laws ordained by men as well as by God that attach a "cost" to breaking the law - these penalties/punishments are intended to maintain order within a society. In parenting, the goal of consequencing is to teach the child a lesson that leads to positive choices and behaviors. The goal of punishment is to inflict pain and seek revenge. In some cases, consequence and penalty/punishment are the SAME thing.
What seems to me to be your sticking point is you believe before God that sin - repented or unrepented - should have a penalty. And of course, there IS. His word tells us:
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. (Romans 6:23)
For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul. (Leviticus 17:11)
In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness. (Hebrews 9:22)
Our Savior Jesus Christ took the penalty for all our sins by dying on the cross - His perfect sinless shed blood for the sins of the world past, present and future. The GIFT of God is eternal life through Christ. Either we pay the penalty due our sin - eternal separation from God in hell - or we accept/receive the gift of God's grace and live with Him in heaven.
As has already been explained dozens of times, the genuine child of God -- the blood-bought, born-again believer in Jesus Christ -- is saved eternally by grace through faith and not by works. When God's children fall into sin, He disciplines and chastens all those who are His. We may suffer consequences because of our sin but the PENALTY has been paid by Christ. This is not in any way a license to sin nor does it imply God winks at sin in our lives. Far from it! Just as you disciplined your own children when they did wrong, they never stopped being your child. God in His great mercy and grace leads us into holiness through the working of the indwelling Holy Spirit and we shall never perish, we will never be plucked from His hands, He will lose none of us nor cast us out. This is the blessed assurance He has promised us. We aren't saved by our own righteousness and we aren't kept saved by it either.
You're wanting there to be a penalty for "unrepentant" sin in a Christian's life but God uses love through discipline as He is conforming us into the image of Christ. I DON'T think God needs you to do a better job.
Excellent analogy.
Well; he and his wife are about 400-500 miles from the fighting over there.
They are enjoying the HUAW of the services.
Boatbums, so nice to see you again.
You are in my prayers and the prayers of others.
I’m sorry for your loss.
BTW, so much joy seeing you posting again. God bless you, sister.
——>As has already been explained dozens of times, the genuine child of God — the blood-bought, born-again believer in Jesus Christ — is saved ETERNALLY by grace through faith (and not by works)
That is certainly NOT what the bible teaches. If it was, Judas would be a saved man. But, he’s not. Judas was LOST.
Preach it sister!
Yes it is.
Maybe not according to cultists led by a false prophet, but that’s REALLY what Scripture says.
You, on the other hand, should worry about your own salvation, considering your behavior and beliefs about that behavior.
Romans 11:29 - for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable
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