Catholics Don't Believe You Can Earn Your Way to Heaven

Tradition | 03-06-2022 | CharlesOconnell

[aMorePerfectUnion]

BUT AT LEAST HE’S GOING TO BE THERE

And I suppose that may bother a guy who is working on the Hamster Wheel of Useless Works and Perpetual Guilt, that mere sinners might be in heaven - you know, the very people Christ came to save - and now people racking up their own (worthless) righteousness through (worthless) works!

"It's not fair they shout, as they work their (worthless) wheel!!!😫

"It's not fair, they shout, as they smell bacon and can't touch it.🥓"

No, it's not fair that anyone should ever go to heaven, since all are sinners, born separated from God.

But the grace of God made a way.

"It is a trustworthy statement, deserving full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, among whom I am foremost."

"For the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost.”

From what we know, Ravi, as a sinner, found that way - Christ.

None of that excuses any sin of his, nor the sin of anyone else.

Nor does anyone's sin invalidate the infinite sacrifice of the life and blood of Christ, nor the promises of God.

[MHGinTN]

Well and truly stated. Amen

[Philsworld]

--->If we sin after being born again it grieves the abiding Holy Spirit Who is within our born again spirit, but he does not leave us to perhaps return if a proper ritual is invoked. He says He is with us always, even tot he end of the Earth. I take HIM at HIS WOrd. Cults? Not so much

Ravi, a professed "born-againer", claiming grace, claiming the blood of Jesus Christ, claiming the promises set forth to the redeemed. THEN, he sets out on a life of rape, adultery, and using his title and the name of God to facilitate that life. AND, if unrepentant, you are telling me he gets a free pass to heaven??? At the moment of his conversion, Ravi had no sin. He was blameless. GRACE DOES NOT, AND WILL NEVER cover continued, willful sin.

Hebrews 10: 26For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

28He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

29Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

30For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

31It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

[Philsworld]

Hebrews 10: 16This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

17And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

29Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

It could not be MORE clear. OSAS is a doctrine of the Nicolaitans and then directly, from the mind of Satan.

[Philsworld]

——>Nor does anyone’s sin invalidate the infinite sacrifice of the life and blood of Christ, nor the promises of God.

Unrepentant, continual, willful sin certainly does. Hebrews 10, and specifically verses 26-31, refute your ridiculous claims.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

Unrepentant, continual, willful sin certainly does. Hebrews 10, and specifically verses 26-31, refute your ridiculous claims.

For any lurkers watching the self-destruction of SDA false teaching...

Hebrews 10 does not say anyone will lose their salvation.

Which is a good time to also note:

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False World Cultic Principle #8

Cults always use the "See & Say" method to find words that sound like the false doctrines they teach.

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[MHGinTN]

The cults contradict The Word of God, twisting it to say what their god, satan, wants it to say to capture quickly the naive and unlearned. Believe the cult’s proclamations? Not so much

[Luircin]

And yet you haven’t answered my questions.

[metmom]

It’s kind of staggering how some people just relish the thought of a Christian burning in hell forever over some unconfessed sin they missed confessing.

It’s like blood in the water to them.

[Luircin]

You could simply say, “Just because someone claims belief in Christ for salvation doesn’t mean they actually do. If you realize you are sinning unrepentantly, watch yourself, for you may not believe in Christ like you think.” And that would solve the problem of any concerns you have for anyone’s eternal life.

Instead, you come storming onto these threads and get angry when your belligerence gets responded to in kind.

[Philsworld]

29Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

At the moment of receiving grace, we all began a new life (born again). We started fresh. Every sin committed in that past life was forgiven. We were blameless in the sight of God. The TRUTH is that God’s law demanded death to the sinner. And, only the blood of Jesus Christ could ever cover that, the blood of the COVENANT.

Maybe YOU should do some research into God’s Covenant, and the Ark of His Covenant, and the common denominator? Maybe start here in Hebrews 10:16

This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

The old and new covenants have the same common denominator, God’s law. And by not obeying or openly REJECTING the law of God, one is in effect, REJECTING the new covenant.

http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/covenant-seal.htm

[Luircin]

We DID tell you, Phil. You just didn’t listen.

Loss of heavenly rewards.
Guilt of grieving our heavenly Father.
In extremis, early physical death.

There you go. Now you can shut up about it.

[Philsworld]

Then YOU, metmom, boatbums, mhgintn, and ampu, and a bunch of others, had better get your stories straight. They all say that those are CONSEQUENCES, not PENALTIES.

You and they will say anything to relieve you from the “burden” of keeping God’s commandments, won’t you? You certainly do not have to keep God’s eternal, moral law for salvation, and for that matter, the 7th-day-Sabbath, do you,
even though the bible clearly says you do? You certainly do not have to OBEY God after GRACE, right? Because, you are already in the New Jerusalem, and YOU ALL have already been judged at the moment of Grace. It’s a done deal. (ridiculous assertion)

Hebrews 10 CLEARLY tells us what will happen to those who continue in willful, unrepentant sin (lawlessness). But then again, you and yours are IMMUNE from the effects of salvation-ending sin, aren’t you? You have ALREADY been judged, haven’t you? You are all waiting for the Pre Trib Rapture and up you go. Right? Maybe you think you are MC hammer (Can’t Touch This) and you’re untouchable after Grace? Not what the bible teaches at all. OSAS is a complete lie from Satan. You all fell for it.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

"You and they will say anything to relieve you from the “burden” of keeping God’s commandments, won’t you? You and they will say anything to relieve you from the “burden” of keeping God’s commandments, won’t you? You certainly do not have to keep God’s eternal, moral law for salvation, and for that matter, the 7th-day-Sabbath, do you, even though the bible clearly says you do? You certainly do not have to OBEY God after GRACE, right?

"It's not fair!!!!! Grace isn't fair!!! REEEEEeeeeeeeeeee!

[Luircin]

So in other words, we answered your questions, and you’re complaining that because it’s not the answer you wanted, we didn’t answer your question.

It’s not the same thing, Phil. In fact, I would call it a blatant falsehood.

I wonder, do you apply the consequences of unrepentant willful sin to yourself too?

[Luircin]

Wait... wait wait wait.

Seriously?

Haha... BAHAHAHAHAHA!

So THAT’S what this is about? You’re STILL ranting about none of us falling into that idiotic Saturday worship delusion? And you just spent WEEKS flailing around about OSAS because you really wanted to whine about THAT!?

I should have known!

PFFHAHAHAHA!

[Philsworld]

-—>Loss of heavenly rewards

That’s a penalty? How’s that even possible. Imardmd1 stated the following in post 1271: “They Both impute Their Righteousness to me and all my saved Brothers and Sisters , of whom the Godhead Jehovah Elohim, the Triune God, is the Ultimate Judge that have already completed Their judging of us.” As you clearly state, if loss of heavenly rewards is a penalty for a life of sin AFTER grace, HOW CAN THAT BE IF YOU HAVE ALREADY BEEN JUDGED AT GRACE? Youuuuuuuuuuuuuu are not held accountable for any sin after grace, right? Youuuuuuuuuuuuuuu have already been judged, right? Youuuuuuuuuuuuuuu are spotless forever more, RIGHT?

So, tell me again how one could lose their heavenly rewards if they have already been judged (have already completed their judging of us)? How’s that even possible, hmmmm?

[Philsworld]

Nope, just making sure you don’t forget. I’ll still bring it up every once and awhile. Not keeping the 4th commandment, the one that specifically says “REMEMBER” is lawlessness (might I even say in your case, willful?)

[metmom]

Just an aside.

Today is Saturday, the Sabbath one is supposed to observe, according to some.

Funny who you find posting on Saturdays on the RF, isn’t it?

[Luircin]

Don’t care, Phil. We answered your question and YOU kept repeating we didn’t while at the same time ranting about unrepentant sin.

Why should I bother engaging with such blatant hypocrisy?

Because it’s fun, mostly.

Hypocrite, hypocrite, hypocrite!