Catholics Don't Believe You Can Earn Your Way to Heaven

Tradition | 03-06-2022 | CharlesOconnell

[Luircin]

Correction: three unrepentant sins.

[Mark17]

But then that is the agenda, so the priesthood is empowered and the myths keep rolling along.

Fortunately, some of us were able to able to break out of the myths and syncretic paganism. 😂😀 I had never heard of the unholy trinity, of Nimrod, Semiramis or Tammuz.

[Mark17]

Salvation, I haven’t seen you in quite a while. I do hope you are well. A while back I was joining others in praying for your health.

We were indeed, and still are. 👍

[metmom]

For example, Ravi Zacharias ... but he is not alone.

Oh the irony of a Catholic pointing fingers of judgment against some religious figure’s personal sins.

Just how many priests got shuffled around from parish to parish to protect them from the consequences of their child molesting?

And how many homosexual priests remain in the priesthood allegedly administering sacraments?

And the cocaine fueled homosexual orgies at the Vatican?

And Catholics have the chutzpah to point fingers of condemnation at Ravi as if they are pure as the new driven snow.

And besides , who are you to know the state of his soul to pass judgment on it?

[MurphsLaw]

Israel has walked away from Messiah, but Messiah is waiting for them to return one day.
Try a different gotcha

I was asking your opinion of the meaning of The Prodigal. How can an opinion be a gotcha?

And no I dont totally agree with your response. It has to have more meaning beyond time of ministry or audience. And yes, while parables can work on different levels using metaphor and figurative language - I'm asking about the meaning here.
Sure there's plenty of symbol, "a Father had 2 sons..." this parable even starts out evoking Adam's offspring... yes, and Israel squandered God's covenants..
But the parable is not about a retelling old stories- its not the meaning of what Jesus is conveying what this can be about. Again what is the meaning ?

Clearly, the son returns, is restored, as an action completed... through a noted process of being alive, then dying, and living again. .. for this your brother was dead, and is alive; he was lost, and is found.’”

Look at the at ALL of Luke15...what Christ is talking about leading up to the Son...
The LOST sheep, the LOST coin, and into the LOST Son...
THAT'S your meaning I believe..
   In each,  of these examples smoething is LOST, and searched for,  AND found. Yes, the Father never stopped loving- or gave up on the son, even though he rejected his Father’s home. But the wages of his din were death, and do he was dead, as the Father noted. Dead.
The Son valued his inheritance, more than life with the Father.
The truth in this we miss is that God's mercy is ALWAYS looking for us through Grace- even when we are lost.

And it is also pointing out we cannot LOSE something we never had.
You don't go after a straying sheep that does not belong to you, or search for a coin that was not yours to begin with.

We can and do get lost. We can lose ourselves- sometimes maybe never to be found... The Son was not "plucked" from the Father either- rather the son rejects the Father's home- and said in so many words to the Father- "I cannot wait for you to die"
We sons can also choose to die, as the Prodigal did- but we can live again.
And we live, not by clinging to the Divine life put into us,  like it us our possession we own, but rather in giving that Grace away to the other.

[MurphsLaw]

Who taught you about Catholicism?
Your comments indicate a false understanding of The Church that gave the world the Bible-
and continues on today
from that First Pentecost.

[MHGinTN]

So you’re teaching me that the god of catholiciism is a yo yo god, abiding in the born again then leaving then coming in again? THAT is anathema. The parable of the prodigal son DOES have several depths, but not your implication of a yo yo game. If that were the way the new covenant worked then you would need to sacrifice Jesus again and again ... coem tot hink of it, your religion claims to do just that, or keep Him being sacrificed so the priesthood can convey rebirth over and over. THAT is not the definition of the New Covenant. Your ‘teaching’ fails on the face of it.

[MHGinTN]

So this church you claim is the church Jesus is sustaining was His church even during the inquisition, the murder of thousands of non-catholics in the name of righteousness of the catholic ORG, and now is infected with hundreds of sexual degenerate priests dishing our ‘holy’ rituals. What a maroon you show yourself to be. The Church Jesus started on the day of Pentecost is a spiritual entity not an ORG infected with satanic minions such as slither around in catholiciism. God beckons unbelievers to come and hear the Word of God and be transformed into born again members of The Body of Christ. Your degenerate run religion is NOT the Body of Christ. Get out before God gives you up to total darkness.

[MurphsLaw]

KJ never talks about Rabbi Akiva.
Not a gotcha... so don't worry...
But this Rabbi and Aquila are an important link in the chain...

[MHGinTN]

Chain? At the other end of that chain is a millstone. Careful where you put it down.

[MurphsLaw]

This Church is more like an old leaky, smelly Ark... rolling through the waters of regeneration, by nothing other than that of the Grace of God...
Is your God so devious then, that he would allow billions of people throughout the ages, to be misguided into hell ...by a Church then not of his own control? Now that's satanic...

[Luircin]

You did.

You pointed me to history. You pointed me to the RCC catechism.

Don’t blame me that your history and your catechism taught me about what Catholicism is.

I find it pretty sad ‘cause you’re in your Bible a lot more than most Catholics I know, and even assign authority to the Word.

[Luircin]

Setting aside your argument by popularity fallacy, you’re arguing against your own concept of God by allowing all those filthy non-Catholics to exist.

[Mark17]

The myth of purgatory is not supported by The Word of God.

No it’s not. John MacArthur put it well. Without purgatory, Catholicism is a hard sell. Since they have no assurance of Salvation, they must have some idea of a second chance, after death. That is purgatory.
I was told I could get a soul out of purgatory, by attending mass on 9 straight first Fridays, or 5 straight first Saturdays, with a generous donation. I felt powerful, that I could actually get a soul out of purgatory. I asked if I could know the name of the person that I got out of Purgatory.
I know where the real Purgatory is. It’s in Colorado, and it has great skiing. 👍😀 But, the doctrine of purgatory, is out of the pit of hell. I can’t believe I used to accept it as gospel truth. It’s not.

[MHGinTN]

Your argument falls on its face when the religion of Islam is used ... would your god allow billions of Muslims to go to hell for not being catholics?

Who gave you that demonic argument?

Jesus told us that NO MAN comes tot he Father but by Him, Jesus. Put that in your calculus and notice God is Sovereign, not your ORG. Jesus went to the cross to redeem your spirit, not your flesh (soul and body = flesh in the Biblical sense). Your blasphemous notion of purgatory focuses you catholics on the flesh, which is dying and will be discarded for born agains when Jesus comes IN THE CLOUDS to remove His Body of Christ Believers.

[Luircin]

If someone is resorting to the “fifty million Frenchmen can’t be wrong” argument, then you can be relatively sure they haven’t got much left.

[metmom]

Your comments indicate a false understanding of The Church that gave the world the Bible- and continues on today from that First Pentecost.

This is a disingenuous claim. Catholicism is not responsible for for giving the world the Word of God.

Scripture came through the Jews from the Holy Spirit. Taking all known Scripture and assembling it into one handy, convenient compendium, took no great act of genius. It would have happened eventually by someone somewhere.

And compiling them together does NOT make them the source of Scripture that they can take credit for the work of God.

Catholicism needs to be careful in their constant attempts to usurp God. It will not end well for them.

[metmom]

This Church is more like an old leaky, smelly Ark... rolling through the waters of regeneration, by nothing other than that of the Grace of God... Is your God so devious then, that he would allow billions of people throughout the ages, to be misguided into hell ...by a Church then not of his own control? Now that's satanic...

Catholicism is no ark of salvation to anyone.

Speaking of devious, an organization that fancies itself a church and yet allows homosexual, child molesting priests to continue to serve in it is NO church of God.

God does no condone or tolerate that level of sin, as evidenced by Revelation 2 & 3. Whatever is keeping your sin riddled organization going, it sure isn’t God.

[Luircin]

You know, you keep on making the same arguments about Catholicism even though we have A: refuted them, and B: aren’t convinced by them.

I don’t think anyone currently reading is going to be convinced by what you’re saying lately.

Are you trying to convince us, or yourself?

[Elsie]

1,111 gotta mean something!

Oh yeah; it points out faulty RCC logic.