Posted on 02/15/2022 5:49:53 AM PST by kinsman redeemer
The Diocese of Phoenix said 'all of the baptisms he has performed until June 17, 2021, are presumed invalid'
"The issue with using ‘We’ is that it is not the community that baptizes a person, rather, it is Christ, and Him alone, who presides at all of the sacraments, and so it is Christ Jesus who baptizes," Olmsted said.
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catholic baptisms aren’t biblical baptisms anyways. doesn’t mean anything to babies that can’t remember it.
A person comes to Christ through his love and the workings of the Holy Spirit entering that person.
1 word does not change that love.
“Hee hee hee!” thinks God, “THAT word wasn’t right, I’m off the hook! I don’t have to accept the baptism!”
If a blind man couldn’t see Jesus or know him, yet still be healed by him, similarly a baptism by Jesus can still save someone who doesn’t know Jesus yet.
Baptism creates a permanent “mark on the soul” according to contemporary Catholic belief. Once baptized as a Catholic, that mark can not be removed. It creates certain moral responsibilities.
There is no magic incantation that makes a baptism valid or invalid.
G-d is not moved by special binding magic words.
A child is the lord’s until they mature outside of the age of innocence, at that point the will have a chance to come to the Lord in their life. If they choose to do so baptism is nothing more than a ceremony where in they commit themselves as a public act to our Lord.
Their salvation comes for Christ and Christ alone and is achieved when they bow / submit and accept Him into their life. His grace is sufficient enough.
I think it’s more important what name you are baptized in, than the pronoun used to refer to the baptizer.
Isn’t this Donatism? Wasn’t this hashed out 1500 years ago?
The only persons that should use the word “we” is a woman with child or man with a tapeworm.
Mark Twain.
Well said. What matters here is what was in the hearts of the parents of the baptized child. One wrong word either way is meaningless.
What about forgiveness? Why is he resigning? Forced out? The satnic church is gearing up and the Catholic church is losing priests.
Words mean things, and words are power. Jesus used words to call fourth Lazarus from the Tomb.
Your claim that words don’t matter or amount to incantation is not biblical. The difference is whethet they are done in the name of God or not. Jesus did his works in connection with his Father Nd in his own name.
His desciples he commended them to baptize in his name all nations.
infant baptism does not produce salvation at all
Romans 10:13- for whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
a person has to be able to of their own free will ask and receive the free gift of salvation, babies can’t do that.
salvation can’t be given by someone to another person- biblically it has to be an individual calling on Jesus for salvation- certainly infant baptism can’t and doesn’t save the baby, doesn’t even make sense.
not trying to argue just it’s not biblical
Words to have meaning, but not in the context of what the article presents.
I would point out it was Jesus name that had power and only because a believer had faith in Jesus. Biblically it went very poorly for those who tested Jesus name against evil spirits without faith.
It was the spirit not the words that mattered.
Humans think a little too highly of themselves.
You quote Paul, but I will quote Jesus.
“Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you.” Mt 28:19-20. -Jesus
Apostles clearly understood that grace was necessary for belief and proclamation of the faith. Baptism confers grace.
Everything old becomes new again. You know, that thing that happens when ignorant people don’t bother with learning history.
And since Context of the article is that the priest did not baptize in the name of Jesus, but baptized as if the whole community was working in the name of Jesus.
That made the Baptism invalid, because I can’t on account your belief, similarly you cannot speak on account of mine.
The priest goofed it up because he presumed he could account for everyone.
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