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To: ebb tide

I would argue that it is a big deal. The beauty of the post-Summorum Pontificum era was that the TLM was blossoming within regular diocesan parish life. This was and is intolerable to Bergoglio and his minions, and they’re taking it away. I don’t have problem with the SSPX per se, and I think Abp. Lefebvre was a great hero and saint. The SSPX have an important role to play, but it bothers me to think of the TLM confined and quarantined to the SSPX ghetto. And that seems to be Bergoglio’s m.o. Why is he meeting with the SSPX but not the Ecclesia Dei groups? It wouldn’t surprise me if he’s trying to use the SSPX to subsume the Ecclesia Dei groups and the diocesan TLM faithful.


13 posted on 02/15/2022 4:41:29 PM PST by irishjuggler
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To: irishjuggler

You appear to be ignoring the elephant in the room:

VC II, and its “spirit”.


14 posted on 02/15/2022 4:50:36 PM PST by ebb tide (Where are the good fruits of the Second Vatican Council? Anyone?)
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To: irishjuggler
Why is he meeting with the SSPX but not the Ecclesia Dei groups?

Oh, he will be meeting with the Ecclesia Dei groups, via his henchmen. And it will be on Ash Wednesday; it's been announced from the pulpit at an FSSP Mass. I doubt the results will be pleasant.

15 posted on 02/15/2022 4:55:01 PM PST by ebb tide (Where are the good fruits of the Second Vatican Council? Anyone?)
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...but it bothers me to think of the TLM confined and quarantined to the SSPX ghetto.

There, I agree; but everything that Bergoglio has said or done has bothered me.

16 posted on 02/15/2022 4:58:30 PM PST by ebb tide (Where are the good fruits of the Second Vatican Council? Anyone?)
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To: irishjuggler
I would argue that it is a big deal.

It will be a big deal for traditional catholics, overall; but not the SSPX in particular. That was my point.

But this time around, traditional catholics know better.

Fool us once shame on you. Fool us twice, shame on us.

It won't be so easy this time around.

18 posted on 02/15/2022 5:10:01 PM PST by ebb tide (Where are the good fruits of the Second Vatican Council? Anyone?)
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To: irishjuggler
Why is he meeting with the SSPX but not the Ecclesia Dei groups? It wouldn’t surprise me if he’s trying to use the SSPX to subsume the Ecclesia Dei groups and the diocesan TLM faithful.

Because SSPX isn't under the Vatican's thumb. They do their own thing and have nothing forcing them to do what the Vatican says. They own their own properties. So the Vatican needs to work to bring them back into the fold, and thereby regain control over them.

Whereas the other societies like FSSP or ICK, are somewhat under the Vatican. Many of them depend on their local diocese/bishop in order to be allowed to celebrate Mass in a church that is owned by the diocese, not the society itself. They may resist and fight the Commies, but not nearly as whole-heartedly nor as effectively as SSPX is able to.
20 posted on 02/27/2022 8:28:19 AM PST by Svartalfiar
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