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To: boatbums

Does Paul trump John? John says that the Saints that end up in heaven keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus...salvation through Grace, THEN obedience. Unrepentant, willful lawlessness will not be tolerated by God. Those who practice such will NOT be in heaven, no matter how much you want it to be true. That is made absolutely clear in the bible, and even by Paul.

Galatians 5:
19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Is is possible for a ONCE SAVED person to revert back to their sinful nature? OF COURSE IT IS. And what does Paul say of them that do these things? THEY SHALL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD. They commit lawlessness. They break God’s law. If they are unrepentant, they will not be going to heaven. They will be lost.

Same with 1 Cor 6:
9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

And Hebrews 10:
26For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

28He that despised Moses’ law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

29Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Revelation 22:
14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

(BLESSED ARE THEY THAT DO HIS COMMANDMENTS.....)

15For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Once saved, always saved is a lie of Satan, that you and your friends perpetuate, that God specifically warned us about. ... Thus you also have those who hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate” (Revelation 2:14, 15).

“The doctrine and works of the Nicolatians came forth from a WRONG interpretation of the grace of God that was preached by the apostles. They misused the Grace of God and the liberty in Christ to fulfill their carnal (sexual) lusts and desires.” (You could substitute ANY OTHER SIN)

1 John 2:3By this we can be sure that we have come to know Him: if we keep His commandments. 4If anyone says, “I know Him,” but does not keep His commandments, HE IS A LIAR, and the truth is not in him. 5But if anyone keeps His word, the love of God has been truly perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him:…

Guess what? Unrepentant liars won’t be in heaven either.


83 posted on 01/25/2022 6:20:18 AM PST by Philsworld
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To: Philsworld
Does Paul trump John? John says that the Saints that end up in heaven keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus...salvation through Grace, THEN obedience. Unrepentant, willful lawlessness will not be tolerated by God. Those who practice such will NOT be in heaven, no matter how much you want it to be true. That is made absolutely clear in the bible, and even by Paul.

I'm not interested in carrying on the SAME arguments with you once again. You claim you believe in salvation by the grace of God and not by works yet you contradict yourself by posting passages out of context and misinterpreting them to try to make Scripture contradict itself! You also FALSELY accuse me and others of saying that sin doesn't matter with God and people can just live as they please in wanton disobedience to Him because they think they will still go to heaven. No matter how many times we have been over this, you revert right back to your false accusations. I know good and well that your religion teaches an accursed gospel and you think keeping the Law is how you are justified. Then, you go even further and insist that everyone who is justified MUST keep the commandments in the same way as you do (e.g.; Saturday worship and not Sunday).

Why do you refuse to answer when I ask you, "What saves you? Your faith or your works."? Scripture is crystal clear that it is by the grace of God we are saved THROUGH faith and not our works. Why do you then insist disobedience to the commandments will make one lose their salvation? If you can lose your salvation by what you do (works) then those works must be what saves you. Are you blind to this contradiction? I repeat, we are created in Christ Jesus unto good works which God has foreordained for us to walk in them. We demonstrate our new, sanctified, born from above spirit nature by how we live in holiness glorifying God. But it is NEVER these works that save us. Anyone who claims to be a believer in Jesus Christ as Savior but who has no evidence of a changed heart or conviction of sin, should examine himself to see if he really is in the faith. But it is NOT his works that save him! It's either grace OR works - not both.

    Those who are trying to force you to be circumcised want to look good to others. They don’t want to be persecuted for teaching that the cross of Christ alone can save. For the circumcised do not even keep the law themselves, yet they want you to be circumcised that they may boast in your flesh. But as for me, may I never boast, except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world. For neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything. What counts is a new creation. (Galatians 6:12-15)

What did Paul say to the Corinthian believers? Post the rest of the passage:

    Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who submit to or perform homosexual acts, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

86 posted on 01/25/2022 8:22:55 PM PST by boatbums (Lord, make my life a testimony to the value of knowing you.)
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