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A Christmas REALITY - Mary Needed a Savior!
IFB ^ | 12/17/21

Posted on 12/17/2021 7:31:59 AM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman

A Christmas REALITY - Mary Needed a Savior!

Just a thought for this Christmas season. One of the greatest myths in all of Christendom is that Mary (Miriam) - the young Jewish girl of king David's line - who gave birth to the Savior of the world was sinless. I myself was taught this as a boy in the Catholic church and it wasn't till I was born again and started reading the Holy Scriptures for myself that I saw the true folly of such a myth. My dear friends, no greater lie could ever be told or fantasy ever believed! When this lie is embraced it derails the total ETERNAL movement of Almighty God and seeks to make the temporal, fallen and mortal the ETERNAL, RIGHTEOUS and DIVINE (Rom. 10:4). Mary herself testified that she rejoiced in Almighty God her Savior and one does not need a Savior if one is not a sinner (Rom. 3:23, 6:23, 10:2-4, Acts 4:12)! If we let the Holy Scriptures of Almighty God and Mary's own personal testimony speak to us then this great fantasy of many can NEVER stand.

Mary herself testified that she rejoiced in Almighty God her Savior and one does not need a Savior if one is not a sinner.

And Mary herself said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. For he hath regarded the low estate (to look with pity on her vile condition) of his handmaiden (slave): for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name. And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation (St. Luke 1:45-49).

Also the Holy Scriptures tell us that Mary offered a burnt offering and a sin offering for atonement after her purification (Leviticus 12:1-8). If Mary was not a fallen daughter fallen of Adam she would not have needed to offer an offering of sin.

And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord; (As it is written in the law of the Lord, Every male that openeth the womb shall be called holy to the Lord;) And to offer a sacrifice according to that which is said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons (St. Luke 2:22-24).

My dear friends, if you are one who holds to the teaching of the Catholic church on Mary of Nazareth I would like to challenge you to believe Almighty God's Word and receive the biblical position of Mary and that of salvation (John 1:12, Acts 16:28-30, Romans 6:23, 10:2-4, 1 John 5:13). Mary the young maiden - by faith - trusted in Almighty God for her ETERNAL salvation as a young girl before her angelic visitation and little did she know that she would be the vessel of Almighty God to bring forth the perfect body for her Lamb and propitiation of her soul (John 1:29, John 3:16-17, 36, Rom. 10:2-4, 1 John 2:2, 4:10).

Mary the young maiden - by faith - trusted in Almighty God for her ETERNAL salvation as a young girl before her angelic visitation and little did she know that she would be the vessel of Almighty God to bring forth the perfect body for her Lamb and propitiation of her soul.

The first Christmas two thousand years ago - the young Jewish girl of the tribe of Judea - Mary; was trying to comprehend and take in the wonders of the last nine months (Matt. 1, Luke 2:24-80). Mary was highly favored above all women and was given the Divine assignment to prepare the body for the ETERNAL Spirit of the Son of Almighty God (Isa. 9:6-7, Micah 5:2, John 1:12, Heb. 10). The true servant's heart and faith of Mary are to be greatly commended and her exampled followed; but when individuals seek to change her testimony and her witness to fantastic fables they do her and her ETERNAL Savior a great disservice and dishonor.

Mary needed a Savior and believed as the Word of God clearly stated (Lev.). What about you? If Mary was here today she would point you to her God and Savior, the Lord Jesus Messiah to save your soul and give you ETERNAL LIFE (John 3:16-17). What will you do? Will you listen to Biblical Mary or traditional Mary?

The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand!x


TOPICS: Apologetics; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: christmasmary; virginmary
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To: MurphsLaw

You have your belief that the Catholic Church hasn’t taken its eyes off of Jesus.

I absolutely believe otherwise. I grew up in a place that was around 80% Catholic. I’ve known a great many Catholics closely, including some in my family. I’ve only met a couple who know which end is up on the Bible (I’m using an idiom to make a point, but it’s not exaggerating by much), and as a consequence, they know very little about Jesus and His story. They especially don’t know Him personally. Personal knowing is the truth Jesus revealed, the things He taught and said, His personality, and His actions. Plenty know the Rosary and highlights from the Catechism, but that’s it. So there’s a tremendous void in their knowledge of the Lord that gets filled by other things.


101 posted on 12/22/2021 10:44:26 AM PST by Faith Presses On (Willing to die for Christ, if it's His will--politics should prepare people for the Gospel)
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To: lasereye
Soory for my delay on your reply...
I see 2 errors in your response. One concerns the structure of it - the other is just plain incorrect.
Just because the formulation of an idea as doctrine takes years to develop, does not mean the idea does not exist in earlier or original form.
A simple Google search easily challenges your assertion on what some, yes-not all - of the Church Fathers believed:

“He was the ark formed of incorruptible wood. For by this is signified that His tabernacle was exempt from putridity and corruption.” Hippolytus, Orations Inillud, Dominus pascit me {ante A.D. 235). 

“This Virgin Mother of the Only-begotten of God, is called Mary, worthy of God, immaculate of the immaculate, one of the one.” Origen, Homily 1 {A.D. 244). 

“Thou alone and thy Mother are in all things fair, there is no flaw in thee and no stain in thy Mother.” Ephraem, Nisibene Hymns 27:8 {A.D. 370). 

“O noble Virgin, truly you are greater than any other greatness. For who is your equal in greatness, O dwelling place of God the Word? To whom among all creatures shall I compare you, O Virgin? You are greater than them all O Covenant, clothed with purity instead of gold! You are the Ark in which is found the golden vessel containing the true manna, that is, the flesh in which divinity resides.” Athanasius, Homily of the Papyrus of Turin 71:216 {ante AD 373). 

“Mary, a Virgin not only undefiled but a Virgin whom grace has made inviolate, free of every stain of sin.” Ambrose, Sermon 22, 30 {A.D. 388). 

Not that this will suffice as proof you demand, but it does in fact show this idea of an IC - along with OT Ark of the Covenant typology of Mary- was in the minds even before the Bible was set to a Canon.
If your standard for acceptance than is UNANIMOUS consent of the Faith- I would say very little can be accepted of the Christian faith considering the now multitude of Gospels.
If your standard is a deadline set in time- than the question always remains who sets that deadline when Christian doctrine can no longer develop. In the case of the IC, I would assume what modern science has discovered about cellular DNA, fertility- even insemination- could not be considered in understanding this miraculous occurrence of the flesh. We are always to be relegated then to only believing in some sort of miracle...but certainly not any other ideal or dimension of that miracle.. as our egos now know the mind of God and his intentions, as captured on the pages on ancient text.

To your point about a singular focus regarding a singular topic - say the IC - if I were an Orthodox- I can somewhat agree with you and hold to that questionable position as that - as it pertains to MY Orthodox faith perspective.

However, if my perspective is one of the many Protestant ideals floating around, outside of the Orthodox doctrine- (which is what I was addressing)...well no way in Hades can they singularly cherry pick for acceptance of an Orthodox position-to support there Protestant claim- while holding other Orthodox doctrine- even that which is aligned with the Catholic- as false and rejectable.
That's more commonly known as a Double-Standard which I will always try to point out.

Reject as you wish, but just realize just how it is you are rejecting it.
102 posted on 12/22/2021 9:02:45 PM PST by MurphsLaw ("Behold a virgin shall be with child, and bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel")
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To: lasereye
Soory for my delay on your reply...
I see 2 errors in your response. One concerns the structure of it - the other is just plain incorrect.
Just because the formulation of an idea as doctrine takes years to develop, does not mean the idea does not exist in earlier or original form.
A simple Google search easily challenges your assertion on what some, yes-not all - of the Church Fathers believed:

“He was the ark formed of incorruptible wood. For by this is signified that His tabernacle was exempt from putridity and corruption.” Hippolytus, Orations Inillud, Dominus pascit me {ante A.D. 235). 

“This Virgin Mother of the Only-begotten of God, is called Mary, worthy of God, immaculate of the immaculate, one of the one.” Origen, Homily 1 {A.D. 244). 

“Thou alone and thy Mother are in all things fair, there is no flaw in thee and no stain in thy Mother.” Ephraem, Nisibene Hymns 27:8 {A.D. 370). 

“O noble Virgin, truly you are greater than any other greatness. For who is your equal in greatness, O dwelling place of God the Word? To whom among all creatures shall I compare you, O Virgin? You are greater than them all O Covenant, clothed with purity instead of gold! You are the Ark in which is found the golden vessel containing the true manna, that is, the flesh in which divinity resides.” Athanasius, Homily of the Papyrus of Turin 71:216 {ante AD 373). 

“Mary, a Virgin not only undefiled but a Virgin whom grace has made inviolate, free of every stain of sin.” Ambrose, Sermon 22, 30 {A.D. 388). 

Not that this will suffice as proof you demand, but it does in fact show this idea of an IC - along with OT Ark of the Covenant typology of Mary- was in the minds even before the Bible was set to a Canon.
If your standard for acceptance than is UNANIMOUS consent of the Faith- I would say very little can be accepted of the Christian faith considering the now multitude of Gospels.
If your standard is a deadline set in time- than the question always remains who sets that deadline when Christian doctrine can no longer develop. In the case of the IC, I would assume what modern science has discovered about cellular DNA, fertility- even insemination- could not be considered in understanding this miraculous occurrence of the flesh. We are always to be relegated then to only believing in some sort of miracle...but certainly not any other ideal or dimension of that miracle.. as our egos now know the mind of God and his intentions, as captured on the pages on ancient text.

To your point about a singular focus regarding a singular topic - say the IC - if I were an Orthodox- I can somewhat agree with you and hold to that questionable position as that - as it pertains to MY Orthodox faith perspective.

However, if my perspective is one of the many Protestant ideals floating around, outside of the Orthodox doctrine- (which is what I was addressing)...well no way in Hades can they singularly cherry pick for acceptance of an Orthodox position-to support there Protestant claim- while holding other Orthodox doctrine- even that which is aligned with the Catholic- as false and rejectable.
That's more commonly known as a Double-Standard which I will always try to point out.

Reject as you wish, but just realize just how it is you are rejecting it.
103 posted on 12/22/2021 9:04:48 PM PST by MurphsLaw ("Behold a virgin shall be with child, and bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel")
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To: Faith Presses On
Are you saying the Church has taken its eyes off Jesus- or rank and file Catholics have?
The Church is a global Church..are you speaking specifically of America- or the rest of the world? While the Church is dying in Ireland- it is thriving in places like Poland, or even Africa..

I still can't agree on the fact the Church as a whole is less focused on Christ- but if you bring in the laity- yes for sure... The laity have grown indifferent and lazy. But all that is slowly changing and the re-energized educational influence within the Church has been largely due to Protestant conversion into the Church.
Catholic Answers for instance, exists for the sole purpose of teaching the faith to the pew sitters, is staffed by former Protestants who are scripturally well versed and bring that Biblical spark to those seeking.. The growth in Apologetics is a good indicator of what gas begun to take root in the Faith...
Adoration of Christ is more available as well now, and the Mass liturgies have never lost Christ as the central being of the faith.
You would surprised to learn of the growth in apostolates within the Church...
The current Pope has not made it easy, but I dont share that the situation in the Global Church is getting worse... here and there no doubt.

Those who try to kill Christ eventually learn new xannot be killed and will pop up somewhere else.
if history has taught us nothing, it at least has taught us this.
104 posted on 12/22/2021 10:04:22 PM PST by MurphsLaw ("Behold a virgin shall be with child, and bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel")
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