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To: ebb tide

The roman catholics brought it on themselves, sadly

They love the muslims because, as they have apologized to me, “muslims love Mary”. My own family friend priest said this, and believes muslims will be saved because they love Mary, but he wasn’t certain he would get to heaven, because he was worried he might do somethingin purgatory which doesnt exist, another issue altogether - that could prevent him from going to heaven.

He could not convert to islam and be saved by Mary, because he had already heard the gospel and that would mean rejecting the wordof god. So he felt he was in a worse spot than a muslim who revered Mary.

Yeah i know,face palm...

The roman church teachings really screw people overtrying to work their way into heaven.


8 posted on 12/14/2021 5:52:21 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

You prots are no better than the muslims with your hatred of Christ’s mother.

Anyone whom Catholics venerate, y’all have to hate. That’s how I know I’m in the one, true Church.


10 posted on 12/14/2021 5:56:58 PM PST by ebb tide (Where are the good fruits of the Second Vatican Council? Anyone?)
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To: Secret Agent Man

The Muslims revere Jesus too, except they don’t believe anything true about him. The same for Mary. If Muslims reject Christian christology, trinitarian theology, and soteriology, then they also must believe that Mary was just the mother of a great prophet, which no Christian would accept, because it isn’t true about her.


21 posted on 12/14/2021 6:26:13 PM PST by Southside_Chicago_Republican (The more I learn about people, the more I like my dog. )
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To: Secret Agent Man

Henceforth ALL generations shall call me blessed. Except, secret agent mouse. She shall crush his head! My momma wears combat boots!


28 posted on 12/14/2021 6:49:44 PM PST by KierkegaardMAN (This is the sort of stuff up with which I shall not put!)
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To: Secret Agent Man

“The roman church teachings really screw people overtrying to work their way into heaven.’

Except your fairy-tale story isn’t representative of Church teachings.


38 posted on 12/14/2021 7:26:30 PM PST by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc O'Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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To: Secret Agent Man

I was just thinking there would surely be somebody at FR eager to excuse this. Congratulations.


44 posted on 12/14/2021 8:09:59 PM PST by Romulus
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To: Secret Agent Man

“My own family friend priest … wasn’t certain he would get to heaven, because he was worried he might do somethingin purgatory … that could prevent him from going to heaven.”

Are you sure you’re getting that right? I have a hard time believing that a priest wouldn’t know that once a soul is in Purgatory they can’t be lost, they can’t commit a mortal sin and fall into Hell, they are saved and are only suffering their final purification before being allowed into God’s Presence.

“He (The priest) could not convert to islam and be saved by Mary, because he had already heard the gospel and that would mean rejecting the wordof god. So he felt he was in a worse spot than a muslim who revered Mary.”

What? Catholics don’t believe they are “saved by Mary”. We are saved by Jesus Christ through His Death on the Cross. We venerate Mary as the Mother of God.

“Yeah i know,face palm… The roman church teachings really screw people overtrying to work their way into heaven.”

The face palm is your misunderstanding of Catholic teaching. Though I’m still a member of the Catholic Church, I fear you and I have one thing in common. We are of the generations of poorly catechized Catholics. Starting in college, I’ve had to relearn my faith from almost scratch. If you don’t believe Catholic teaching, that’s your right. But what you’re presenting here is a caricature of Catholic teaching. Sorry. Don’t mean to be divisive. I enjoy your posts on politics in the news forum.


52 posted on 12/15/2021 3:03:54 AM PST by MDLION (J"Trust in the Lord with all your heart" -Proverbs 3:5)
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To: Secret Agent Man
purgatory which doesn't exist, another issue altogether

If Purgatory doesn't exist, where did all those go who died between the time of Adam and when Christ opened the gates of Heaven?

54 posted on 12/15/2021 4:34:15 AM PST by T.B. Yoits
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