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Now, if necessary, given local circumstances, the law of gradualness may require allowing some celebrations of the 1962 Missal until (“in due time”) the faithful are allowed to find a different place of worship.
1 posted on 11/27/2021 8:05:40 PM PST by ebb tide
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Today, we are challenged to express this fidelity by working our way back to — or helping others find their way back to — the Mass celebrated according to the current Missal.

2 posted on 11/27/2021 8:07:29 PM PST by ebb tide (Where are the good fruits of the Second Vatican Council? Anyone?)
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What an incredibly wrongheaded piece. I note that the author is a Stanford graduate. Figures.

These commentators who imagine that unity can be fostered by banning the TLM and forcing TLM attendees into the Novus Ordo are utterly delusional. This mentality is so utterly devoid of any sort of knowledge of Catholic history or even just basic coommons sense about human nature. What oppressed religious minority has ever reacted to their persecution with joyous capitulation? Whether it’s persecuted Catholics in Tudor England, or persecuted protestants in Bourbon France, or Jews in 15th century Spain, or Christians in Imperial Japan or whatever... the natural outcome of religious oppression isn’t capitulation. It’s the opposite of that... martyrdom or at least increased zealousness.


3 posted on 11/27/2021 8:29:42 PM PST by irishjuggler
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To: ebb tide

“Homiletic and Pastoral Review” used to be a sound publication. Is Fr. Kenneth Baker still running it?


5 posted on 11/27/2021 8:40:40 PM PST by Dr. Sivana ("There are only men and women."-- George Gilder, Sexual Suicide, 1973)
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So the game plan is to take a mass that was created for protestants, and accuse those attached to a mass that is more Catholic in its teachings and expression of being protestant because the most modernist Pope ever known says so and uses obvious lies (Lie #1 the Traditional Latin mass is only 400 years old, Lie #2 Equating the construction by Bugnini and associates of a new mass based on dubious “research” with Quo Primum which only regularized the existing Roman Rite) to promote that argument.

This is a sterling example of Neo-ultramontanism (the belief that the Faith is merely following whatever the Pope says) regardless of whether it is well defined or consistent with the what the Church has always taught or even consistent with what Francis teaches.

To his credit the author points out some of these inconsistencies but then glosses over them with the excuse of gradualness.

However ask certain Religious orders (FFI) how gradual the Vatican is when it comes to suppressing the Traditional Roman Rite. Guess which bishops will be elevated to Cardinals and which won’t.

The reason this is so important to modernist bishops is that the Traditional Mass and the communities that follow it (even with their warts) show with their contrast that there was a definite acceptance of and surrender to the teachings of the world as opposed to the constant teachings of the Faith. And that this acceptance was promulgated in all its intentional vagueness through the documents of Vatican 2.


14 posted on 11/28/2021 6:13:26 AM PST by rmichaelj (Ave Maria gratia plena, Dominus tecum.)
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