[tnlibertarian]

The problem can also be in what you measure. Many churches focus on the easy things: attendance and giving. While those can be indicators of the strength of the church, simple growth in people and income should never be the focus. Reaching people for Christ, improving relationships, both with God and each other. Those are the goals of the church, but not easy to measure. Too many churches go from measuring attendance and giving to making it the goal. That’s how you end up with an attractional model that is afraid to offend anyone.

[Vigilanteman]

Very true. Attendance and giving are only a start because they are easy to measure. Impact in the community and, more importantly, on individual souls are much harder to measure.

But the easy measures are, at least, a start.

The "woke" churches won't even start with the basics because the liberal termites know they have taken over the church in order to destroy it. Same with a once fine organization like the Boy Scouts. I've always bought popcorn from the kids before now but I can't bring myself to do it anymore knowing the rotteness at the head will eventually make its way down to the individual troops.

It is sad, really!