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To: ebb tide

Ebb, I personally have no objection to TLM. I just have problems with people who attack V2 and N.O. like you do. And there enough people who do what you do, that it could seem like a
good idea to shut down TLM to a great degree. You could do a lot to keep TLM if you would respect V2, and N.O and go ahead criticize the a misuse of V2 et.al. .


14 posted on 10/01/2021 8:52:26 PM PDT by amihow (It is Western Civilization that confers privilege, not whiteness. Ask Carson, MLK, Sowell.)
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To: amihow
I just have problems with people who attack V2 and N.O. like you do.

Well then, amihow. You have problems with Mother Angelica and Pope Benedict.

15 posted on 10/01/2021 8:55:07 PM PDT by ebb tide (Where are the good fruits of the Second Vatican Council? Anyone?)
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What Benedict XVI thought about liturgical change

However, recently, he (Pope Benedict) lamented: “Anyone like myself, who was moved by this perception in the time of the Liturgical Movement on the eve of the Second Vatican Council, can only stand, deeply sorrowing, before the ruins of the very things they were concerned for.”

In the preface to the French edition of Monsignor Gamber’s book, then-Cardinal Ratzinger wrote that after the Council “we abandoned the organic, living process of growth and development over centuries, and replaced it — as in a manufacturing process — with a fabrication, a banal on-the-spot product”, and he called Monsignor Gamber “a true prophet” who “taught us about the living fullness of a true liturgy”.

16 posted on 10/01/2021 9:02:05 PM PDT by ebb tide (Where are the good fruits of the Second Vatican Council? Anyone?)
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To: amihow

I wouldn’t be doing these recent criticisms of VC II, if Bergoglio hadn’t started this war by using VC II as his excuse to attack the TLM.

It’ a war he has started, without provocation, and it will backfire.

Nothing wrong with fighting fire with fire, amihow.


17 posted on 10/01/2021 9:09:45 PM PDT by ebb tide (Where are the good fruits of the Second Vatican Council? Anyone?)
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To: amihow
You could do a lot to keep TLM if you would respect V2, and N.O and go ahead criticize the a misuse of V2 et.al.

The TLM will never die; it's the Mass of All Time, the Closest Thing this Side of Heaven.

The Bugnini/Montini Mass and VC II will die in due time.

18 posted on 10/01/2021 9:16:09 PM PDT by ebb tide (Where are the good fruits of the Second Vatican Council? Anyone?)
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