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You really think Muslims are reading the Vatican 2 documents? Hmmm..that is a novel twist...

Heck man...
90-95 % of Catholics have never read them - or even just a single document- or even name one !

41 posted on 09/29/2021 9:34:54 PM PDT by MurphsLaw ("Law came in, to increase the trespass; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,")

if he's a Protestant, he's not a legitimate pope, is he Murph?

Duh again....Hes a Catholic Bishop and Cardinal.. Celebrating Mass...

until he is excommunicated....he can think like a Protestant all he wants... but he has been given the Sacraments just like any other Catholic...
So no, He's a Catholic... a sinful flawed Catholic- as he has publicly made self-reference of.

42 posted on 09/29/2021 9:53:49 PM PDT by MurphsLaw ("Law came in, to increase the trespass; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,")

I already explained the error in your thinking about that issue Ebb.

43 posted on 09/29/2021 10:16:18 PM PDT by amihow (It is Western Civilization that confers privilege, not whiteness. Ask Carson, MLK, Sowell.)

until he is excommunicated....he can think like a Protestant all he wants... but he has been given the Sacraments just like any other Catholic...

Now you sound like Wilton Gregory and his justification in giving Joe Biden Holy Communion.

You're such a modernist, Murph.

44 posted on 09/30/2021 6:16:43 AM PDT by ebb tide (Where are the good fruits of the Second Vatican Council? Anyone?)

Your attempt to defend heresy was feeble, amihow.

45 posted on 09/30/2021 6:17:59 AM PDT by ebb tide (Where are the good fruits of the Second Vatican Council? Anyone?)

So you think God loves Judas Iscariot and St. John the Baptist equally; but only one them is in Heaven?

Interesting. How is that a just “God”? How is that a merciful “God”?

46 posted on 09/30/2021 6:22:44 AM PDT by ebb tide (Where are the good fruits of the Second Vatican Council? Anyone?)

Your attempt to destroy the Church is more feeble, regardless of the word tsunamis you post. You will never ever win.

47 posted on 09/30/2021 8:21:05 AM PDT by amihow (It is Western Civilization that confers privilege, not whiteness. Ask Carson, MLK, Sowell.)

Why do you fear those who resist the will of God?

My God laughs at these self righteous religious men- strutting around like the Pharisees - distorting Christ's mission for us...

Woe unto them...

48 posted on 09/30/2021 10:26:12 AM PDT by MurphsLaw ("Law came in, to increase the trespass; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,")

Interesting. How is that a just “God”? How is that a merciful “God”?

hmmm....
Sounds like some Church of "Nice" crapola"....

Well, firstly, you have to grasp the concept that God is Love. You can't beieve in the Trinity unless you know God is love.
Then you have to agree God created - AND LOVES - every human that ever lived- and everyone human God will create.
Then you have to agree that God's love is UNCONDITIONAL, and will never stop Loving any of his creatures ever- even Judas.

Now contrary to what some believe- God gave us Free Will. Now remember the Prodigal. He turned away from his father. HIS WILL was to choose sin over family.

The father never stopped loving the son- but could not stop or interfere in the son's desire to turn away. God has already given us everything we need to make that choice of eternal life - or the other thing.

To that end... God also asks the rest of us in the fam to HOPE and PRAY that NO ONE makes that bad choice for themselves.
got tired of typing...From Divince Mercy:

To reconcile this apparent contradiction between God’s mercy and the existence of hell, many dismiss hell's existence altogether. But the reality of hell permeates Scripture. In the story of the sheep and the goats, the Son of Man told the damned, “Depart from me, you accursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels” (Mt 25:41).

Clearly, according to Scripture, hell not only exists, but it’s a real possibility for all of us. The existence of hell, though, does not diminish God's mercy. This is because, out of love for us, God has given us the gift of free will. We can either accept Him with love, or we can reject Him. It's not God's choice — it's ours. The souls in hell have simply chosen to reject God and His goodness. As author C.S. Lewis put it, “The gates of hell are locked from the inside.”

Though we ought to have a proper fear of hell, we ought not to let that fear overwhelm us. Scripture also says, “[God] wills everyone to be saved and to come to knowledge of the truth” (1 Tim 2:4). God doesn’t want anyone to go to hell, but in His justice, He allows souls to go there. In this context, we can see how the existence of hell harmonizes with God’s mercy. Imagine if you hated someone with all your heart. Then imagine if you had to spend eternity with them! Souls in hell hate God, so He allows them to spend eternity as they choose — apart from Him. As St. John Henry Newman said, “Heaven would be hell to the irreligious.”

So, God is very merciful, and hell exists. Both are true.

49 posted on 09/30/2021 11:09:47 AM PDT by MurphsLaw ("Law came in, to increase the trespass; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,")

You will never ever win.

I'm not trying to win anything, amihow. I'm just pointing out the obvious: VC II is a bad tree that has been dropping rotten fruit to this day, including Bergoglio and his rotten papacy.

Pope says Vatican II shaped his theology, including in social teaching

Your attempt to destroy the Church...

I think you should be addressing Bergoglio about that topic.

50 posted on 09/30/2021 11:48:59 AM PDT by ebb tide (Where are the good fruits of the Second Vatican Council? Anyone?)

So, God is very merciful, and hell exists. Both are true.

But we can still hope Hell is empty, like you and Bobby Barron, believe, despite Christ's declarations otherwise.

51 posted on 09/30/2021 11:51:02 AM PDT by ebb tide (Where are the good fruits of the Second Vatican Council? Anyone?)

NEVER GIVE UP ON HOPE....

52 posted on 09/30/2021 11:52:46 AM PDT by MurphsLaw ("Law came in, to increase the trespass; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,")

Then you have to agree that God's love is UNCONDITIONAL, and will never stop Loving any of his creatures ever- even Judas.

So God loves Satan? If so, why is Hell so painful and eternal, Murph?

53 posted on 09/30/2021 11:53:21 AM PDT by ebb tide (Where are the good fruits of the Second Vatican Council? Anyone?)

NEVER GIVE UP ON HOPE....

I'll never give up on hoping we'll one day get an orthodox, Catholic pope who'll declare Bergoglio to have been an anti-pope heretic.

54 posted on 09/30/2021 11:59:01 AM PDT by ebb tide (Where are the good fruits of the Second Vatican Council? Anyone?)

It’s a sin to knowingly hope for things that are against God’s will.

55 posted on 09/30/2021 12:00:12 PM PDT by ebb tide (Where are the good fruits of the Second Vatican Council? Anyone?)

People take good fruit from a good tree all the time and render it unedible. Your analogy limps

56 posted on 09/30/2021 2:12:07 PM PDT by amihow (It is Western Civilization that confers privilege, not whiteness. Ask Carson, MLK, Sowell.)

But we can still hope Hell is empty, like you and ~~Bobby~~ BISHOP Robert Barron, believe, despite Christ's declarations otherwise.

No..no...
you ain't getting it...
It's not "we can still hope" ... but "we must" have HOPE Hell to be empty as does God, as God desires ALL souls to be saved...

Think of it this way... it's like... never giving up on hoping we'll one day get an orthodox, Catholic pope who'll declare Bergoglio to have been an anti-pope heretic...
Now... we all know that's a "snowball in hell" chance in hell of ever happening... BUT WE GOTTA HOPE FOR IT just the same !!!

57 posted on 09/30/2021 2:14:19 PM PDT by MurphsLaw ("Law came in, to increase the trespass; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,")

Why are you projecting your human existence ontoward God.
You cannot know the mind of God.
You can spose and guess...
But God is not human, ANYTHING for God is Possible...

To limit God to the peripheries of our broken, sinful human existence is not only folly...its heretical.

MY GOD IS AN AWESOME GOD !!!!!!!!!

58 posted on 09/30/2021 2:17:57 PM PDT by MurphsLaw ("Law came in, to increase the trespass; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,")

I’m not projecting anyone. I just know what Jesus Christ said in the New Testament. And it’s not what you Bobby proclaim.

59 posted on 09/30/2021 3:00:35 PM PDT by ebb tide (Where are the good fruits of the Second Vatican Council? Anyone?)

People take good fruit from a good tree all the time and render it unedible.

Really?

Who does that, amihow; and why do they do it?

60 posted on 09/30/2021 3:03:29 PM PDT by ebb tide (Where are the good fruits of the Second Vatican Council? Anyone?)

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