Posted on 09/06/2021 1:13:09 PM PDT by ebb tide
I often hear Protestants asks others to pray for them. Or they promise to pray for someone.
Why? It's called intercessory prayer. The Bible is full of examples of people praying for the well being of others.
Praying to the saints is the same thing. We Catholics (and Orthodox) are asking the saints (as you would ask a friend) to please pray for us.
Protestants ask their friends to pray for them. We ask our friends in Heaven to pray for us. Same thing.
I don’t agree with his statement, but I have no problem with him making it. It is natural for the leader of a religion to feel that his religion has answers that others don’t.
Not even close.
Do you get a Saints Phone book so you know which to call on for which occasion? If so, what’s the number for the pizza saint? I bet he’s busy, everyone wants his opinion. And his recipe for manicotti.
Your post makes my point.
whatever.
Jesus said.....'No one comes to the Father except through me' .... Jesus is the only way through which mankind should worship or pray to God.
Jesus said.....'No one comes to the Father except through me' .... Jesus is the only way through which mankind should worship or pray to God.
Yeah, I know all that.
We Catholics pray to Jesus. We also ask the saints and Mary to pray to Jesus for us. So either way, we're still going through Jesus.
Have you never asked a friend or family member to pray for you? Have you never been asked by a friend or family member to pray for them?
If not, you're a rare Christian, Protestant or otherwise.
When I ask people to pray with me they’re people who occupy this world.....They’re alive people.....not those who have left this earth..... It’s a very poor comparison you’re using and designed to make people feel better about what they practice that flies in the face of Gods revealed word.
Long ago Catholism knew it had to take on and permit Barbarian and pagan practices in order to attract the heathen. Heck even their clergy demanded they have equal attire as that of the Roman Leadership....They still do so....Haiti is a good example where voo-doo is practiced within their CatholicServices.
So no I would never pray to anyone other than our Lord and Savior.......otherwise to do so falls along the wayside.
The saints in Heaven are also alive.
Luke 20:37-38
"37 But that the dead are raised, even Moses showed, in the place concerning the Bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. 38 Now he is not the God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him."
We are not to pray to those who have died and are in Heaven apart from Jesus Christ. You can certainly do so but you’re speaking into the wind.
Further your Scripture reference is out of context to the discussion.....however you would do well to re-read it in context.
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“Do you get a Saints Phone book so you know which to call on for which occasion? If so, what’s the number for the pizza saint? I bet he’s busy, everyone wants his opinion. And his recipe for manicotti.”
Lol, now thats funny. Love the humor :>)
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We are not to pray to those who have died and are in Heaven apart from Jesus Christ. You can certainly do so but you’re speaking into the wind.
Further your Scripture reference is out of context to the discussion.....however you would do well to re-read it in context.
We’ve already corrected them by Scripture but they refuse the Work of God. Proverbs 7 describes the harlots as a stubborn and strange woman.
The Word of God is very clear as has been stated many times, not to replace Jesus as the One and Only Mediator between man and God, but they uphold their false tradition above the Word of God. They defy the reproof and correction.
When the channel other spirits its divination/ witchcraft. They are calling upon mediums.
The following defines this practice:
What is a medium?
In both modern and ancient times, a medium is a person who communicates with spirits, usually apart from the use of witchcraft. A medium is, literally, an “intermediary” between the spirit world and ours. The Bible condemns the practice of mediumship, and attempting to speak to the dead, through séances or other means, is expressly forbidden.
Sometimes mediums are called “channelers,” as they allegedly “channel” communication from the dead to the living. A medium might only communicate with one or more specific spirits (called “familiars” or “familiar spirits”), or the communication may be spread across many different spirits. The messages may come audibly, visually, or through physical sensations. Modern mediums distinguish themselves from psychics, who only read the “energies” of a person or place and do not communicate with actual spirits. (The term “psychic medium” can confuse the issue.) Also, a medium is not necessarily a witch, wizard, sorcerer, or necromancer, since mediums believe that their communication with the spirit world is an inherent ability. The fictional character Cole Sear in the movie The Sixth Sense would be considered a medium.
Mediums are referenced in several passages of the Old Testament. In Leviticus 20:27 mediums are condemned along with “spiritists.” Deuteronomy 18:10–11 echoes Leviticus and expands it, including diviners, sorcerers, witches/wizards, anyone who casts spells, and anyone who practices child sacrifice.
King Saul’s sinful use of a medium is recorded in 1 Samuel 28. The prophet Samuel was dead, and King Saul was frustrated that God had ceased telling him what to do through prophets or dreams. So the king, in direct violation of God’s Law and his own previous command, told his men to find a medium who could communicate with Samuel (1 Samuel 28:3). This medium conjured Samuel, and Saul communicated with the dead prophet. Theologians discuss whether this conjuring was a physical reappearance of Samuel or merely an image of him. There is also some question whether or not the medium actually meant to conjure Samuel, as she seems to have been the most surprised at his appearance—“When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out at the top of her voice” (verse 12). Perhaps she was a fraud who did not expect to actually see a spirit, or perhaps she was expecting to communicate with her “familiar” and not with Samuel directly. Either way, God seems to have allowed Samuel’s conjuring in order to drive home His point to Saul. The prophet’s message to Saul was one of doom (verses 17–19), and he died the next day. First Chronicles 10:13–14 reveals that Saul’s interaction with the medium was an important part of why he was dethroned and his dynasty cut short.
In the New Testament, sorcery and other associated practices are considered inappropriate, sinful activities for any Christian (Acts 8:9ff and 19:19). Since the primary purpose of these activities is to communicate with spirits, it is correct to include mediumship in these New Testament warnings.
It should be noted that the spirit a medium conjures is not the spirit of a deceased person (the case of Samuel speaking to Saul was a rare exception). Jesus’ story of the rich man and Lazarus in Luke 16:18–31 gives strong evidence that, once a person is dead, his soul remains in either heaven or hell. Thus, the spirits who communicate with mediums are lying spirits (see 1 Kings 22:23) who deceive people into believing their lost loved ones are communicating to them. When grieving parents seek out a medium to put them in touch with their dead child, they don’t realize the spirit who speaks to them is actually a demon pretending to be their child. Any involvement with such practices, including asking mediums for guidance, is strongly warned against in the Bible.
https://www.gotquestions.org/what-is-a-medium.html
From Catholic Answers: https://www.catholic.com/encyclopedia/Communion-of-Saints
"The communion of saints is the spiritual solidarity which binds together the faithful on earth, the souls in purgatory, and the saints in heaven in the organic unity of the same mystical body under Christ its head, and in a constant interchange of supernatural offices. ...
The solidarity itself implies a variety of inter-relations: within the Church Militant, not only the participation in the same faith, sacraments, and government, but also a mutual exchange of examples, prayers, merits, and satisfactions; between the Church on earth on the one hand, and purgatory and heaven on the other, suffrages, invocation, inter-cession, veneration. ..."
I don’t recognize the roman catholic religous organization as having any authority. So what their rules are may apply to its followers, but not according to the Word of God, and not to me. The Word of God is the recognized Authority f0r all matters and God forbids praying to the dead. It is sorcery.
Protestants seem to believe that every person is their own Bible expert. That anyone can pick up a Bible, read it, and understand it.
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“The RCC’s rules are derived from the Bible,”
Wrong! But if you believe it then that has to be the right answer Johnny. Tommorow we can indoctrinate you with common core math and woke history. And we can light our candles, chant and call upon the dead spirits.
Sound about right?
Where I come from they call this a cult.
... they’re not dead.. they’re resting.. 🦜
(Monty Python)
...they’re not spirits.. they’re saints...👻
(Roman Catholic Church)
... it’s not bread.. it’s flesh 🍞
... it’s not wine ...
It’s blood🍷
It’s
:>)
Isaiah 5:
20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!
22 Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink:
This is exactly what Catholicism, and most versions of chrstianity, teach. So what???
Jews don't need the Vatican's permission to keep the Torah, and even if they were to change the teaching the religion would not be one more bit true.
I don't understand why any Orthodox (especially Charedi) rabbi would participate in ecumenism. Ecumenism says all religions are equally true. This is simply not so. Jews should bring all non-Jews to the Noahide Laws, not try to liberalize what they already believe.
Do these rabbis believe that when every religion out there recognizes the validity of every other religion that G-d will be pleased?
I'll never understand it.
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