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The Son of Man is master of the sabbath
Universalis/Jerusalem Bible ^ | 58 AD | Luke

Posted on 09/04/2021 2:04:06 AM PDT by Cronos

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Catena Aurea by St. Thomas Aguinas

6:1–5

1. And it came to pass on the second sabbath after the first, that he went through the corn fields; and his disciples plucked the ears of corn, and did eat, rubbing them in their hands.

2. And certain of the Pharisees said unto them, Why do ye that which is not lawful to do on the sabbath days?

3. And Jesus answering them said, Have ye not read so much as this, what David did, when himself was an hungred, and they which were with him;

4. How he went into the house of God, and did take and eat the shewbread, and gave also to them that were with him; which it is not lawful to eat but for the Priests alone?

5. And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

AMBROSE. Not only in the form of expression, but in His very practice and mode of action, did the Lord begin to absolve man from the observance of the old law. Hence it is said, And it came to pass that he went through the corn fields, &c.

BEDE. For His disciples having no opportunity for eating because the multitudes thronged so, were naturally hungry, but by plucking the ears of corn they relieved their hunger, which is a mark of a strict habit of life, not seeking for prepared meats, but mere simple food.

THEOPHYLACT. Now He says, on the second sabbath after the first, because the Jews called every feast a sabbath. For sabbath means rest. Frequently therefore was there feasting at the preparation, and they called the preparation a sabbath because of the feast, and hence they gave to the principal sabbath the name of the second-first, as being the second in consequence of the festival of the day preceding.

CHRYSOSTOM. (Hom. 39. in Matt.) For there was a double feast; one on the principal sabbath, another on the next solemn day succeeding, which was also called a sabbath.

ISIDORE OF PELEUSIUM. (Isidore. l. i. Ep. 110.) He says, On the second-first, because it was the second day of the Passover, but the first of unleavened bread. Having killed the passover, on the very next day they kept the feast of unleavened bread. And it is plain that this was so from the fact, that the Apostles plucked ears of corn and ate them, for at that time the ears are weighed down by the fruit.

EPIPHANIUS. (cont. Hær. l. i. Hær. xxx. 32.) On the sabbath day then they were seen passing through the corn fields, and eating the corn, shewing that the bonds of the sabbath were loosened, when the great Sabbath was come in Christ, Who made us to rest from the working of our iniquities.

CYRIL OF ALEXANDRIA. But the Pharisees and Scribes not knowing the Holy Scriptures agreed together to find fault with Christ’s disciples, as it follows, And certain of the Pharisees said unto them, Why do ye, &c. Tell me now, when a table is set before you on the sabbath day; do you not break bread? Why then do you blame others?

BEDE. But some say that these things were objected to our Lord Himself; they might indeed have been objected by different persons, both to our Lord Himself and His disciples, but to whomsoever the objection is made, it chiefly refers to Him.

AMBROSE. But the Lord proves the defenders of the law to be ignorant of what belongs to the law, bringing the example of David; as it follows, And Jesus answering said to them, Have ye not read so much as this, &c.

CYRIL OF ALEXANDRIA. As if He said, Whereas the law of Moses expressly says, Give a righteous judgment, and ye shall not respect persons in judgment, (Deut. 1:16, 17.) how now do ye blame My disciples, who even to this day extol David as a saint and prophet, though he kept not the commandment of Moses?

CHRYSOSTOM. (ut sup.) And mark, that whenever the Lord speaks for His servants, (i. e. His disciples,) He brings forward servants, as for example David and the Priests; but when for Himself, He introduces His Father; as in that place, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. (John 5:17.)

THEOPHYLACT. But he reproves them in another way, as it is added, And he said unto them, that the So of man is Lord also of the sabbath. As if he said, I am the Lord of the sabbath, as being He who ordained it, and as the Legislator I have power to loose the sabbath; for Christ was called the Son of man, who being the Son of God yet condescended in a miraculous manner to be made and called for man’s sake the Son of man.

CHRYSOSTOM. (ubi sup.) But Mark declares that He uttered this of our common nature, for He said, The sabbath was made for man, not, man for the sabbath. It is therefore more fitting that the sabbath should be subject to man, than that man should bow his neck to the sabbath.

AMBROSE. But herein is a great mystery. For the field is the whole world, the corn is the abundant harvest of the saints in the seed of the human race, the ears of corn are the fruits of the Church, which the Apostles shaking off by their works fed upon, nourishing themselves with our increase, and by their mighty miracles, as it were out of the bodily husks, plucking forth the fruits of the mind to the light of faith.

BEDE. For they bruise the ears in their hands, because, when they wish to bring others over into the body of Christ, they mortify their old man with its acts drawing them away from worldly thoughts.

AMBROSE. Now the Jews thought this unlawful on the Sabbath, but Christ by the gift of new grace represented hereby the rest of the law, the work of grace. Wonderfully has He called it the second-first sabbath, not the first-second, because that was loosed from the law which was first, and this is made first which was ordained second. It is therefore called the second sabbath according to number, the first according to the grace of the work. For that sabbath is better where there is no penalty, than that where there is a penalty prescribed. Or this perhaps was first in the foreknowledge of wisdom, and second in the sanction of the ordinance. Now in David escaping with his companions, there was a foreshadowing of Christ in the law, who with His Apostles escaped the prince of the world. But how was it that the Observer and Defender of the law Himself both eat the bread, and gave it to those that were with Him, which no one was allowed to eat but the priests, except that He might shew by that figure that the priests’ bread was to come over to the use of the people, or that we ought to imitate the priests’ life, or that all the children of the Church are priests, for we are anointed into a holy priesthood, offering ourselves a spiritual sacrifice to God. (1 Pet. 2:5.) But if the sabbath was made for men, and the benefit of men required that a man when hungry (having been long without the fruits of the earth) should forsake the abstinence of the old fast, the law is surely not broken but fulfilled.








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1 posted on 09/04/2021 2:04:06 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: Cronos

From the Catechism https://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P7N.HTM

THE THIRD COMMANDMENT

Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work; but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work.90

The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath; so the Son of Man is lord even of the sabbath.91

I. The Sabbath Day

2168 The third commandment of the Decalogue recalls the holiness of the sabbath: “The seventh day is a sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the LORD.”92

2169 In speaking of the sabbath Scripture recalls creation: “For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and hallowed it.”93

2170 Scripture also reveals in the Lord’s day a memorial of Israel’s liberation from bondage in Egypt: “You shall remember that you were a servant in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God brought you out thence with mighty hand and outstretched arm; therefore the LORD your God commanded you to keep the sabbath day.”94

2171 God entrusted the sabbath to Israel to keep as a sign of the irrevocable covenant.95 The sabbath is for the Lord, holy and set apart for the praise of God, his work of creation, and his saving actions on behalf of Israel.

2172 God’s action is the model for human action. If God “rested and was refreshed” on the seventh day, man too ought to “rest” and should let others, especially the poor, “be refreshed.”96 The sabbath brings everyday work to a halt and provides a respite. It is a day of protest against the servitude of work and the worship of money.97

2173 The Gospel reports many incidents when Jesus was accused of violating the sabbath law. But Jesus never fails to respect the holiness of this day.98 He gives this law its authentic and authoritative interpretation: “The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath.”99 With compassion, Christ declares the sabbath for doing good rather than harm, for saving life rather than killing.100 The sabbath is the day of the Lord of mercies and a day to honor God.101 “The Son of Man is lord even of the sabbath.”102

II. The Lord’s Day

This is the day which the LORD has made; let us rejoice and be glad in it.103

The day of the Resurrection: the new creation

2174 Jesus rose from the dead “on the first day of the week.”104 Because it is the “first day,” the day of Christ’s Resurrection recalls the first creation. Because it is the “eighth day” following the sabbath,105 it symbolizes the new creation ushered in by Christ’s Resurrection. For Christians it has become the first of all days, the first of all feasts, the Lord’s Day (he kuriake hemera, dies dominica) Sunday:

We all gather on the day of the sun, for it is the first day [after the Jewish sabbath, but also the first day] when God, separating matter from darkness, made the world; and on this same day Jesus Christ our Savior rose from the dead.106

Sunday - fulfillment of the sabbath

2175 Sunday is expressly distinguished from the sabbath which it follows chronologically every week; for Christians its ceremonial observance replaces that of the sabbath. In Christ’s Passover, Sunday fulfills the spiritual truth of the Jewish sabbath and announces man’s eternal rest in God. For worship under the Law prepared for the mystery of Christ, and what was done there prefigured some aspects of Christ:107

Those who lived according to the old order of things have come to a new hope, no longer keeping the sabbath, but the Lord’s Day, in which our life is blessed by him and by his death.108

2176 The celebration of Sunday observes the moral commandment inscribed by nature in the human heart to render to God an outward, visible, public, and regular worship “as a sign of his universal beneficence to all.”109 Sunday worship fulfills the moral command of the Old Covenant, taking up its rhythm and spirit in the weekly celebration of the Creator and Redeemer of his people.

The Sunday Eucharist

2177 The Sunday celebration of the Lord’s Day and his Eucharist is at the heart of the Church’s life.
“Sunday is the day on which the paschal mystery is celebrated in light of the apostolic tradition and is to be observed as the foremost holy day of obligation in the universal Church.”110

“Also to be observed are the day of the Nativity of Our Lord Jesus Christ,
the Epiphany,
the Ascension of Christ,
the feast of the Body and Blood of Christi,
the feast of Mary the Mother of God,
her Immaculate Conception,
her Assumption,
the feast of Saint Joseph,
the feast of the Apostles Saints Peter and Paul, and the feast of All Saints.”111

2178 This practice of the Christian assembly dates from the beginnings of the apostolic age.112 The Letter to the Hebrews reminds the faithful “not to neglect to meet together, as is the habit of some, but to encourage one another.”113

Tradition preserves the memory of an ever-timely exhortation: Come to Church early, approach the Lord, and confess your sins, repent in prayer.... Be present at the sacred and divine liturgy, conclude its prayer and do not leave before the dismissal.... We have often said: “This day is given to you for prayer and rest. This is the day that the Lord has made, let us rejoice and be glad in it.”114

2179 “A parish is a definite community of the Christian faithful established on a stable basis within a particular church; the pastoral care of the parish is entrusted to a pastor as its own shepherd under the authority of the diocesan bishop.”115 It is the place where all the faithful can be gathered together for the Sunday celebration of the Eucharist. the parish initiates the Christian people into the ordinary expression of the liturgical life: it gathers them together in this celebration; it teaches Christ’s saving doctrine; it practices the charity of the Lord in good works and brotherly love:

You cannot pray at home as at church, where there is a great multitude, where exclamations are cried out to God as from one great heart, and where there is something more: the union of minds, the accord of souls, the bond of charity, the prayers of the priests.116

The Sunday obligation

2180 The precept of the Church specifies the law of the Lord more precisely: “On Sundays and other holy days of obligation the faithful are bound to participate in the Mass.”117 “The precept of participating in the Mass is satisfied by assistance at a Mass which is celebrated anywhere in a Catholic rite either on the holy day or on the evening of the preceding day.”118

2181 The Sunday Eucharist is the foundation and confirmation of all Christian practice. For this reason the faithful are obliged to participate in the Eucharist on days of obligation, unless excused for a serious reason (for example, illness, the care of infants) or dispensed by their own pastor.119 Those who deliberately fail in this obligation commit a grave sin.

2182 Participation in the communal celebration of the Sunday Eucharist is a testimony of belonging and of being faithful to Christ and to his Church. the faithful give witness by this to their communion in faith and charity. Together they testify to God’s holiness and their hope of salvation. They strengthen one another under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

2183 “If because of lack of a sacred minister or for other grave cause participation in the celebration of the Eucharist is impossible, it is specially recommended that the faithful take part in the Liturgy of the Word if it is celebrated in the parish church or in another sacred place according to the prescriptions of the diocesan bishop, or engage in prayer for an appropriate amount of time personally or in a family or, as occasion offers, in groups of families.”120

A day of grace and rest from work

2184 Just as God “rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had done,”121 human life has a rhythm of work and rest. the institution of the Lord’s Day helps everyone enjoy adequate rest and leisure to cultivate their familial, cultural, social, and religious lives.122

2185 On Sundays and other holy days of obligation, the faithful are to refrain from engaging in work or activities that hinder the worship owed to God, the joy proper to the Lord’s Day, the performance of the works of mercy, and the appropriate relaxation of mind and body.123 Family needs or important social service can legitimately excuse from the obligation of Sunday rest. the faithful should see to it that legitimate excuses do not lead to habits prejudicial to religion, family life, and health.

The charity of truth seeks holy leisure - the necessity of charity accepts just work.124

2186 Those Christians who have leisure should be mindful of their brethren who have the same needs and the same rights, yet cannot rest from work because of poverty and misery. Sunday is traditionally consecrated by Christian piety to good works and humble service of the sick, the infirm, and the elderly. Christians will also sanctify Sunday by devoting time and care to their families and relatives, often difficult to do on other days of the week. Sunday is a time for reflection, silence, cultivation of the mind, and meditation which furthers the growth of the Christian interior life.

2187 Sanctifying Sundays and holy days requires a common effort. Every Christian should avoid making unnecessary demands on others that would hinder them from observing the Lord’s Day. Traditional activities (sport, restaurants, etc.), and social necessities (public services, etc.), require some people to work on Sundays, but everyone should still take care to set aside sufficient time for leisure. With temperance and charity the faithful will see to it that they avoid the excesses and violence sometimes associated with popular leisure activities. In spite of economic constraints, public authorities should ensure citizens a time intended for rest and divine worship. Employers have a similar obligation toward their employees.

2188 In respecting religious liberty and the common good of all, Christians should seek recognition of Sundays and the Church’s holy days as legal holidays. They have to give everyone a public example of prayer, respect, and joy and defend their traditions as a precious contribution to the spiritual life of society. If a country’s legislation or other reasons require work on Sunday, the day should nevertheless be lived as the day of our deliverance which lets us share in this “festal gathering,” this “assembly of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven.”125

IN BRIEF

2189 “Observe the sabbath day, to keep it holy” (Deut 5:12). “The seventh day is a sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the Lord” (Ex 31:15).

2190 The sabbath, which represented the completion of the first creation, has been replaced by Sunday which recalls the new creation inaugurated by the Resurrection of Christ.

2191 The Church celebrates the day of Christ’s Resurrection on the “eighth day,” Sunday, which is rightly called the Lord’s Day (cf SC 106).

2192 “Sunday . . . is to be observed as the foremost holy day of obligation in the universal Church” (CIC, can. 1246 # 1). “On Sundays and other holy days of obligation the faithful are bound to participate in the Mass” (CIC, can. 1247).

2193 “On Sundays and other holy days of obligation the faithful are bound . . . to abstain from those labors and business concerns which impede the worship to be rendered to God, the joy which is proper to the Lord’s Day, or the proper relaxation of mind and body” (CIC, can. 1247).

2194 The institution of Sunday helps all “to be allowed sufficient rest and leisure to cultivate their amilial, cultural, social, and religious lives” (GS 67 # 3).

2195 Every Christian should avoid making unnecessary demands on others that would hinder them from observing the Lord’s Day.


2 posted on 09/04/2021 2:06:10 AM PDT by Cronos ( One cannot desire freedom from the Cross, especially when one is especially chosen for the cross)
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To: Cronos

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.”
But his people would not recognize the Messiah and it was left to his disciple Paul to abolish Jewish law among the Gentiles and make Faith the determenative factor.


3 posted on 09/04/2021 4:27:44 AM PDT by Bookshelf
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To: Cronos
One sabbath Jesus happened to be taking a walk through the cornfields, and his disciples were picking ears of corn, rubbing them in their hands and eating them.

Corn was developed in Mexico, and was not introduced into Europe until the Spanish brought it there. And nobody eats raw corn. Care to rethink this statement?

Quote and link below, in case you don't believe me. And I'm not a non-believer, but when you post obviously wrong information like this, it's going to get questioned.

After the arrival of Europeans in 1492, Spanish settlers consumed maize, and explorers and traders carried it back to Europe and introduced it to other countries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maize

4 posted on 09/04/2021 4:30:43 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (Don't wish your enemy ill; plan it. )
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To: Hardastarboard

It’s Einkorn which is a type of wheat.

I like this translation better -
“While Jesus was going through a field of grain on a sabbath,
his disciples were picking the heads of grain,
rubbing them in their hands, and eating them.”


5 posted on 09/04/2021 4:43:07 AM PDT by Varda
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To: Cronos

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6 posted on 09/04/2021 6:01:47 AM PDT by sauropod (Bidet was no prize before he put the “d” in “dementia.” - Schlichter)
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To: Varda

That makes sense. Thanks for clarifying.


7 posted on 09/04/2021 6:48:51 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (Don't wish your enemy ill; plan it. )
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To: Cronos

Christ rose on First Fruits, the 16th Day of the Father’s 1st month.

The 16th of the Father’s 2nd month is also the first day of the week.
(For a good reason, and every month)

The 15th Day of the Father’s month is His 7th Day Sabbath.
That’s the day after the Father’s 14th Day, which is Passover.

Passover is the Father’s 6th day. (14th)
Unleavened Bread the Sabbath (15th)
First Fruits the 1st day (16th)

This year, the Father’s 6th,7th,1st days were on Daniel Beast’s March 28,29,30.
Or the Beast’s sun day, moon day, false God tiws day.

So, in summary, Paul’s first importance of the gospel of Passover, Unleavened Bread and First Fruits, in accordance with the scriptures..
Has been replaced by the Beast’s false goddess frigg day, false God saturn day, false God sun day,in accordance with the Antichrist Papacy.

Changing times and law.
Even changing the first importance of the gospel.
And changing the Word Made Flesh to reflect Daniel’s 4th Beast version as truth.

Another Jesus and another gospel

That’s the way of the world about 2,000 years since the Passover Lamb finished His work on the Father’s 6th day.
Passover
In accordance with the scriptures

He changes not.
But time has been changed.
By Daniel’s 4th Beast
And Antichrists

But the bible predicted that.
We just get to observe it in real time

Today isn’t the Father’s 7th Day Sabbath
But that’d be news to Antichrist Islam,Antichrist Judaism and Antichrist Papacy
And the mother of harlots and her harlot daughters

One big sinking kingdom


8 posted on 09/04/2021 7:44:50 AM PDT by delchiante
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To: Cronos; Daffynition; null and void; Phinneous; JAG 5000; EEGator; cgbg
My post connects to the "The Brain Doesn’t Think the Way You Think It Does" thread, which is why I pinged a couple of names from over there.

So you have not read what David did...

David showed compassion by sharing the shewbread. Which is why the Messiah "works" on the Sabbath:

It's not any work at all if it is life-giving love (that's redundant). To do it his way means getting more accomplished on the Sabbath (when out of the "office") than during the rest of the week combined. Now imagine what all could be done if no one were chained down by a "real" job.

Would anyone even need a clock if no one watches the clock, having turned away from it completely?

Lord of the Sabbath, indeed. Above and Beyond the call of time, over to the far side. Most would say "you can't get there from here" and then never flip the switch to ingenuity mode. When there's a will there's a way. No will? No way.

And it came to pass on the second sabbath after the first, that he went through the corn fields...

Because the actual Messiah is overflowing with compassion, love, country charm... the whole bit, 24/7/365. He learned it from his father David.

And here he comes, riding on a donkey, bucking the dysfunctional, corrupt, dead status quo that spins its wheels.

That's how Buck got his name. When he was a small child he announced to his family that like the family donkey, his name was also "Buck."

And it was so. A talking donkey:

The next sound that you hear will be the slamming of the door
And you ain't gonna have ol' Buck to kick around no more

You Ain't Gonna Have Ol' Buck to Kick Around No More

Buck and his Buckaroos ride in from the country (where light rules time) with a message for today, through their famous Bakersfield Sound:

Open Up Your Heart

Open up your heart and let my love come in
Open up your heart and let my life begin
The sun's gonna shine there'll be blue skies again
When you open up your heart and let my love come in

I know you've been hurt by an old love affair
But darling don't blame me I wasn't even there
Your long lonely nights I will bring to an end
When you open up your heart and let my love come in.

Bakersfield... now if ever there were a place named for the bread going from farm to hearth to table, that's the one. The ingredient source for any "house of bread."

Named after a fellow named.... Thomas.

In case there was any doubt..

Folks need to dial in. Area code = 661, same as the girl who is known as the Doe of the Dawn.

Oh and this sounds interesting:

Several of the sights on her trip inspired her, and they found their way into her poem, including the World's Columbian Exposition in Chicago, the "White City" with its promise of the future contained within its gleaming white buildings;[6] the wheat fields of America's heartland Kansas, through which her train was riding on July 16; and the majestic view of the Great Plains from high atop Pikes Peak.

America the Beautiful

The Hamans of the world will insist that the Bakersfield Sound derives from the city's "nickname": the armpit of California.

Who is going to listen to whom?

And for my last performance, I'm gonna vanish through the door
And you ain't gonna have ol' Buck to kick around no more.

9 posted on 09/04/2021 8:37:09 AM PDT by Ezekiel ("Come fly with US". Ingenuity-- because the Son of David begins with Mars.)
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To: Bookshelf

But his people would not recognize the Messiah and it was left to his disciple Paul to abolish Jewish law among the Gentiles and make Faith the determinative factor.


So, that would then mean that we can NOW:

Have other gods
Make graven images of these other gods and worship them
Take the name of the Lord they God in vain
Treat our parents poorly and with disrespect
Murder/kill at will
Commit adultery
Steal
Bear false witness
Covet someone else’s property, wife, husband, etc...
(Of course the answer is no. A Christian would have to be a moron to believe that)

Your statement left me stunned for a few seconds, as I contemplated the ridiculousness of it. Yes, Jesus was very clear in Matthew 5: 17-19 that His law stands. However, in complete contrast to your statement that Paul abolishes the SABBATH, Paul UPHOLDS the moral law (10 commandments INCLUSIVE of the 4th commandment Sabbath). You ERR in your belief that the 7th-day-Sabbath is part of the ceremonial law, (which was correctly abolished at the cross). It isn’t. In fact, that’s the only commandment that God tells us to REMEMBER.

Exodus 20:
8REMEMBER the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

9Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

10But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

11For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Matthew 5: 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Keeping the Sabbath in heaven? Yes
Isiah 66:23And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

Is the 7th-day-Sabbath part of these commandments? Yes
Rev 14:12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

And these commandments? Yes
Rev 22:14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Eccl: 12:13Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

14For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.


10 posted on 09/04/2021 10:50:02 AM PDT by Philsworld
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To: Bookshelf

And BTW, the 7th-day-Sabbath predates sin, and it is a memorial to our CREATOR, Jesus Christ. It will be kept forever, as Isiah 66:23 clearly tells us. I would suggest that you also take a look at verse 24, which deals with those who have transgressed (against His law).

Isiah 66:
23And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

24And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.


11 posted on 09/04/2021 10:57:34 AM PDT by Philsworld
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To: Cronos

Rom 14:5 In the same way, some think one day is more holy than another day, while others think every day is alike. You should each be fully convinced that whichever day you choose is acceptable.


eyes go to many things regarding the Sabbath. Many go to the detail of which day.

Might it not be more than that?

What is God’s design for the Sabbath? It is a heart issue, not a prescription.


12 posted on 09/04/2021 11:10:15 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: Cronos
2175 Sunday is expressly distinguished from the sabbath which it follows chronologically every week; for Christians its ceremonial observance replaces that of the sabbath. In Christ’s Passover, Sunday fulfills the spiritual truth of the Jewish sabbath and announces man’s eternal rest in God. For worship under the Law prepared for the mystery of Christ, and what was done there prefigured some aspects of Christ:107

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All true, that is if you follow the authority of the ANTICHRIST. If so, all is good for you.

The papacy openly admits that her symbol or mark of authority is Sunday as a holy day. Notice the following section from a Catholic catechism:

“Question: Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?”

“Answer: Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her – she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.” Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism [FRS No. 7.], (3rd American ed., rev.: New York, Edward Dunigan & Bro., 1876), p. 174.

BTW, the 7th-day-Sabbath isn't Jewish. It predates sin and Adam and Eve were not Jewish.

No MAN has the authority to change God's eternal 10 commandment law and those who think they can, and/or teach that to others, are going to be sorely disappointed.

13 posted on 09/04/2021 11:17:37 AM PDT by Philsworld
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To: PeterPrinciple; Cronos
Rom 14:5 In the same way, some think one day is more holy than another day, while others think every day is alike. You should each be fully convinced that whichever day you choose is acceptable.

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Paul is discussing the CEREMONIAL law, not the MORAL 10 commandment law (which the 7th-day Sabbath is part of)

Romans CHAPTER 14:1 (discussing v. 5)

*Weak in the faith. That is, one who has but a limited grasp of the principles of righteousness. He is eager to be saved and is willing to do whatever he believes is required of him. But in the immaturity of his Christian experience (see Heb. 5:11 to 6:2), and probably also as the result of former education and belief, he attempts to make his salvation more certain by the observance of certain rules and regulations that are in reality not binding upon him. To him these regulations assume great importance. He regards them as absolutely binding upon him for salvation, and he is distressed and confused when he sees other Christians about him, especially those who seem to be more experienced, who do not share his scruples.

*Paul’s statements in Rom. 14 have been variously interpreted, and have been used by some: (1) to disparage a vegetarian diet, (2) to abolish the distinction between clean and unclean meats, and (3) to remove all distinction between days, thus abolishing the seventh-day Sabbath. That Paul is doing none of these three becomes evident when this chapter is studied in the light of certain religious and related problems that troubled some of the 1st-century Christians.

*Paul mentions various problems that are an occasion of misunderstanding between brethren: (1) those relating to diet (v. 2), and (2) those relating to the observance of certain days (vs. 5, 6). In 1 Cor. 8 the problem of the strong versus the weak brother, as regards diet, is also dealt with. The letter to the Corinthians was written less than a year before that to the Romans. It seems reasonable to conclude that in 1 Cor. 8 and Rom. 14 Paul is dealing with essentially the same problem. In Corinthians the problem is identified as the propriety of eating foods sacrificed to idols. According to the ancient practice pagan priests carried on an extensive merchandise of the animal sacrifices offered to idols. Paul told the Corinthian believers—converts both from Judaism and from paganism—that inasmuch as an idol was nothing there was no wrong, per se, in eating foods dedicated to it. However, he explains, because of earlier background and training, and differences in spiritual discernment, not all had this “knowledge” and could not with a free conscience eat such foods (see on 1 Cor. 8). Hence Paul urged those without scruples regarding these foods not to place a stumbling block in a brother’s way by indulging in them (Rom. 14:13). His admonition is thus in harmony with the decision of the Jerusalem Council, and doubtless throws light on at least one reason why that council took the stand it did on this subject (see on Acts 15). Probably for fear of offending in this matter some Christians abstained from flesh foods entirely, which means that their food was restricted to “herbs,” that is, vegetables (see Rom. 14:2).

*Paul is not speaking of foods hygienically harmful. He is not suggesting that the Christian of strong faith may eat anything, regardless of its effect upon his physical well being. He has already made plain, in ch. 12:1, that the true believer will see to it that his body is preserved holy and acceptable to God as a living sacrifice. The man of strong faith will regard it as an act of spiritual worship to maintain good health (Rom. 12:1; 1 Cor. 10:31).

*A further fact throws light on the problems Paul is discussing. Only dimly, at first, did many Jewish Christians comprehend that the ceremonial law had met its fulfillment in Christ (see on Col. 2:14–16) and was henceforth no longer binding. Indeed, the first Christians were not called upon abruptly to cease attendance at the annual Jewish feasts or to repudiate at once all ceremonial rites. Under the ceremonial law the Jews were to keep seven annual sabbaths. Paul himself attended a number of the feasts after his conversion (Acts 18:21; etc.). Though he taught that circumcision was nothing (1 Cor. 7:19), he had Timothy circumcised (Acts 16:3), and agreed to fulfill a vow according to the stipulations of the ancient code (Acts 21:20–27). Under the circumstances it appeared best to allow the various elements of the Jewish ceremonial law gradually to disappear as the mind and conscience became enlightened. Thus, it was inevitable that among Jewish Christians there would arise questions as to the propriety of keeping certain “days”— Jewish holydays, in connection with their annual feasts (see Lev. 23:1–44; see on Col. 2:14–17).

*In view of these facts it becomes evident that Paul, in Rom. 14, is not (1) disparaging a diet of “herbs” (vegetables), or (2) doing away with the age-old Biblical distinction between clean and unclean meats, or (3) abolishing the seventh-day Sabbath of the moral law (see on ch. 3:31). The person who thus claims must read into Paul’s argument something that is not there.

*That Paul does not teach or even imply the abolition of the seventh-day Sabbath has been recognized by such conservative commentators, for example, as Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown, in their comment on ch. 14:5, 6: “From this passage about the observance of days, Alford unhappily infers that such language could not have been used if the sabbath law had been in force under the Gospel in any form. Certainly it could not, if the sabbath were merely one of the Jewish festival days; but it will not do to take this for granted merely because it was observed under the Mosaic economy. And certainly if the sabbath was more ancient than Judaism; if, even under Judaism, it was enshrined amongst the eternal sanctities of the Decalogue, uttered, as no other parts of Judaism were, amidst the terrors of Sinai; and if the Lawgiver Himself said of it when on earth, ‘The Son of man is LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY’ (see Mark 2:28)—it will be hard to show that the apostle must have meant it to be ranked by his readers amongst those vanished Jewish festival days, which only ‘weakness’ could imagine to be still in force—a weakness which those who had more light ought, out of love, merely to bear with.”

*In Rom. 14:1 to 15:14 Paul urges the stronger Christians to give sympathetic consideration to the problems of their weaker brethren. As in chs. 12 and 13, he shows that the source of unity and peace in the church is genuine Christian love. This same love and mutual respect will ensure continuing harmony among the body of believers, in spite of differing opinions and scruples in matters of religion.

14 posted on 09/04/2021 11:47:37 AM PDT by Philsworld
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To: Cronos; Bookshelf; PeterPrinciple
God's mark is His 7th-day-Sabbath

“I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the Lord that sanctify them” (Ezekiel 20:12). “It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth” (Exodus 31:17).

15 posted on 09/04/2021 11:54:28 AM PDT by Philsworld
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To: Bookshelf

Paul did not abolish the law. The Apostles worshipped on The Lord’s day, the first day of the week. That’s why the first day of the week is Dominus or comanche from Dominus ie Lord in Latin.

Paul did not abolish the law. Jesus fulfilled it.


16 posted on 09/04/2021 12:44:48 PM PDT by Cronos ( One cannot desire freedom from the Cross, especially when one is especially chosen for the cross)
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To: Hardastarboard

Corn is an english word used also for wheat. This is distinct from maize


17 posted on 09/04/2021 12:45:43 PM PDT by Cronos ( One cannot desire freedom from the Cross, especially when one is especially chosen for the cross)
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To: Cronos
The Apostles worshipped on The Lord’s day, the first day of the week.

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Nowhere in the New Testament did the Apostles worship on Sunday. And, nowhere is there any command from God given for Sunday worship. It is actually an abomination to worship on Sunday, calling that His holy day.

1444. Sabbath, Change of—Cited in Council of Trent as Proof that Tradition Is Above Scripture

Source: Heinrich Julius Holtzmann, Kanon und Tradition ("Canon and Tradition") (Ludwigsburg: Druck and Verlag von Ferd. Riehm, 1859), p. 263. German.

The Council [of Trent] agreed fully with Ambrosius Pelargus, that under no condition should the Protestants be allowed to triumph by saying that the council had condemned the doctrine of the ancient church. But this practice caused untold difficulty without being able to guarantee certainty. For this business, indeed, ‘well-nigh divine prudence’ was requisite—which the Spanish ambassador acknowledged as belonging to the council on the sixteenth of March, 1562. Indeed, thus far they had not been able to orient themselves to the interchanging, crisscrossing, labyrinthine, twisting passages of an older and newer concept of tradition. But even in this they were to succeed. Finally, at the last opening [see editors’ note] on the eighteenth of January, 1562, all hesitation was set aside: [Gaspar de Fosso] the Archbishop of Reggio made a speech [see No. 1443] in which he openly declared that tradition stood above Scripture. The authority of the church could therefore not be bound to the authority of the Scriptures, because the church had changed circumcision into baptism, Sabbath into Sunday, not by the command of Christ, but by its own authority. With this, to be sure, the last illusion was destroyed, and it was declared that tradition does not signify antiquity, but continual inspiration.

Maybe you should email Stephen Keenan to inform him that you found scriptural authority for Sunday keeping.

“Answer: Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her – she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.” Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism [FRS No. 7.], (3rd American ed., rev.: New York, Edward Dunigan & Bro., 1876), p. 174.

There is NO scriptural authority in changing the Sabbath to Sunday. And, no Apostle ever worshipped on Sunday. They all kept the 7th-day-Sabbath.

18 posted on 09/04/2021 2:32:36 PM PDT by Philsworld
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To: Hardastarboard; Cronos
" Corn was developed in Mexico, and was not introduced into Europe until the Spanish brought it there. And nobody eats raw corn. Care to rethink this statement? Quote and link below, in case you don't believe me. And I'm not a non-believer, but when you post obviously wrong information like this, it's going to get questioned. "

Yes, questioned or called a contradiction by those who do not or even will not do a little research. First, Webster states,

Corn

 (Entry 1 of 3)

1 chiefly dialectal : a small hard particle : grain
2 : a small hard seed usually used in combination peppercornbarleycorn
3 British : the grain of a cereal grass that is the primary crop of a region (such as wheat in Britain and oats in Scotland and Ireland)

Second, a little search of classic Bible commentaries finds this:

The word “cornfields” does not mean our maize or Indian corn, but simply fields of grain (wheat or even barley). also : a plant that produces corn WORD PICTURES IN THE NEW TESTAMENT by Archibald Thomas Robertson


19 posted on 09/04/2021 4:46:11 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save + be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: Cronos

Your New Testament is full of the Jewish Oral Law. (...a Sabbath’s mile....) Jesus and the disciples were transgressing the Sabbath by performing the work of reaping/pruning.
Nothing to do with what David the King did in the reference.


20 posted on 09/04/2021 6:22:05 PM PDT by Phinneous (By the way, there are Seven Laws for you too! Noahide.org)
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