Thoughts End Up Becoming Things.

[MHGinTN]

2 Chronicles 20 ... did the People praising and singing praise to God cause the defeat of the invaders, or did the God do what He was going to do regardless of what the people exhibited beforehand as faith in Whom they trusted?

New Age posits that the praising caused the reaction by God. Your piece is in fact more new age than you can even see.

[Mark17]

I suppose you have not, nor do you intend to, peruse the links I posted that address the positive confession movement, which would be no surprise.

If by the positive confession movement, you are referring to the word of faith movement, of Benny Hinn, Sid Roth, Creflo Dollar (very appropriately named) Joel Osteen, Kenneth Copeland, Jesse Duplantis, Joyce Moore, Beth Moore, and others, I totally reject their heretical views.
Some of them think we have the same creative ability that God has. Hogwash. I saw on video, Jesse Duplantis, claim that God asks him for his opinion. I have to admit, I was blown away by that. Justin put it well, when he said he who thinks he can counsel God, is a fool.
As far as thoughts go, if a man lusts after a woman, he has already committed adultery in his heart, and the physical act may soon follow. Usually, the thought comes first.
As for the word of faith movement, I am not buying what they are selling, including the kundalini spirit. I don’t think we are discussing brain surgery here

[JAG 5000]

You are reading into the OP that which YOU want it to say. My OP does NOT say and does NOT teach what YOU are saying it says and teaches. All THAT is nothing more than YOU and YOUR , , , PERSONAL OPINIONS , , , and what YOU are forcing my OP to say ~~ when it does NOT say what YOU are saying that it says.

And again YOU are NOT the authority on what is, or is not, good theology.

Moreover I have several times already repudiated the notion of the New Age garbage and I have NOTHING to do with Norman Vincent Peele’s The Power Of Positive Thinking, and NOTHING to do with the so-called self help literature and nothing to do with the television preachers that hawk their miracle promises that you will get rich etc.

I can say about YOUR posts that they are “bad examples of Christianity” and in fact they are that ~~ as explained above.

JAG

[Mark17]

New Age posits that the praising caused the reaction by God. Your piece is in fact more new age than you can even see.

I agree bro. It appears to me that there is a whole bunch of new age thinking. I know God is not the author of confusion. Seems there is a ton of confusion here.

[Mark17]

New Age posits that the praising caused the reaction by God.

What you call new age, is exactly that, but I identify it, as the word of faith movement, or name it, claim it, blab it, grab it. It’s also somewhat related to the New Apostolic Reformation, though I don’t think they even call themselves that. The kundalini spirit is there too. I have heard these chumps say they can speak things into existence, control the weather, we are little gods, that Jesus is not the only begotten son of God. The fact that many (if not all) the word of faith preachers, can utter such blatantly false heresies, and not get struck by lightning, is a testament to the patience of God.
Maybe the thing we can do, is ask these dudes, what is their plan of salvation? The word of faith Jesus (of Copeland, Dollar, Duplantis, Roth etc) is not the Jesus of the Bible.

[Elsie]

Well...

Proverbs 23:7
“For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he.”

[Elsie]

I shudda read ahead.

[Elsie]

...whosoever looketh on a woman...

[Elsie]

Philippians 4:8

Finally, brethren,
whatsoever things are true,
whatsoever things are honest,
whatsoever things are just,
whatsoever things are pure,
whatsoever things are lovely,
whatsoever things are of good report;
if there be any virtue,
and if there be any praise,
think on these things.

[Elsie]

Psalm 51:10
“Create in me a clean heart, O God, and renew a right spirit within me.”

Romans 10:10
“For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.”

[metmom]

That doesn’t mean that your thinking something can cause something to come into existence.

It means what a person thinks is their real self, whatever front they put up otherwise.

[Mark17]

That doesn’t mean that your thinking something can cause something to come into existence.

That’s right MM. We are not talking about Philippines 4:8 here. We are essentially talking about new age metaphysics, thinking things into existence. Word of faith stuff. False doctrine. If people have to emphasize they are not into metaphysics, there is a good chance they are.
OK Elsie, did you pick up on it? 😀😂

[Mark17]

By the way Els, my son is still flying USAF aircraft, and loving it. I created a monster. 😀 He lives and breathes Air Force. Now, he is another ate up, gung ho Air Force pilot. 😂🤗

[JAG 5000]

Here is one example of a Faith-Thought that changed reality and its taken directly from the New Testament:(Matthew 14:22-33)

The Apostle Peter actually walked on water because of a Faith-Thought in his mind.

Lets start with some basic facts:

(1) Human beings cannot walk on water.

(2) Peter was a human being.

(3) Peter walked on water.

~ How did Peter walk on water?

~ Answer: Peter had Faith-Thoughts focused upon Jesus’ call-out to him telling him to “Come.”

~Peter got out of the boat and walked on the water.

Peter’s mind was NOT blank at the time he got out of the boat and walked on the water.

~ What was Peter THINKING about?

~ Answer: He was thinking a Faith-Thought about Jesus’ call-out to him telling him to “Come.”

Remember the narrative? The disciples saw Jesus coming towards them and He was walking on the water.

They were scared.

Peter called out to Jesus and said if it’s you Lord tell me to come to you on the water ~ and so Jesus told Peter to “Come.”

Therefore Peter’s mind (Faith-Thought) was strongly focused upon Jesus’ word to him to “Come” and therefore with that Faith-Thought in Jesus’ word “Come” IN HIS MIND, Peter got out of the boat and actually walked on water.

So?

So a Faith-Thought in the mind of a human being did, in that case, give a human being the ability to walk on water.

Now if anybody can find even one (1) flaw in that up there, I would be more than willing to take a serious look at whatever anybody finds INCORRECT with what is written up there.

Best Regards.

JAG

PS

And don’t forget Luke 17:6 where Jesus said, “If you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can SAY to this mulberry tree, be uprooted and planted in the sea, and it will obey you.” Does not “SAY” require a Faith-Thought” within the mind?

There is a whole class of passages that gives specific examples of people whose faith-thoughts changed their reality.

~ here is just one of ‘em:

“Go”, said Jesus, “your faith has healed you.” Immediately he received his sight . . .” Mark 10:52

So?

So the man did in fact have FAITH-THOUGHTS , , , and his FAITH-THOUGHTS did in FACT CHANGE HIS REALITY. The Lord Jesus, did in FACT, specifically tell the man that “YOUR FAITH has healed you.” That is, your FAITH-THOUGHTS have changed your reality. Mark 10:52

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Once again:

I have nothing to do with any New Age Garbage or Eastern Mysticism and nothing to do with Norman Vincent Peele’s The Power Of Positive Thinking and nothing to do with television preachers who hawk their miracle-promises of riches and healings, and such like , , , HOWEVER I personally am NOT going to allow those false teachers to rob me of blessings by preventing me from talking serious what the Lord Jesus Himself said about the power of FAITH and the power of SAY. “You can SAY to this Mulberry tree by uprooted and planted in the sea and it will obey you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed.” Luke 17:6

You might be thinking “Okay, but where are you going with all this?” Answer: I’m not going anywhere with it. I just know I need to increase my faith in God so I can do more to push forward Jesus’ Great Commission to go and make disciples of all nations and so I’m a seeker and learner about the power of FAITH to get that done. And that’s all I want to do here.

JAG

[JAG 5000]

Here is one example of a Faith-Thought that changed reality and its taken directly from the New Testament:(Matthew 14:22-33)

The Apostle Peter actually walked on water because of a Faith-Thought in his mind.

Lets start with some basic facts:

(1) Human beings cannot walk on water.

(2) Peter was a human being.

(3) Peter walked on water.

~ How did Peter walk on water?

~ Answer: Peter had Faith-Thoughts focused upon Jesus’ call-out to him telling him to “Come.”

~Peter got out of the boat and walked on the water.

Peter’s mind was NOT blank at the time he got out of the boat and walked on the water.

~ What was Peter THINKING about?

~ Answer: He was thinking a Faith-Thought about Jesus’ call-out to him telling him to “Come.”

Remember the narrative? The disciples saw Jesus coming towards them and He was walking on the water.

They were scared.

Peter called out to Jesus and said if it’s you Lord tell me to come to you on the water ~ and so Jesus told Peter to “Come.”

Therefore Peter’s mind (Faith-Thought) was strongly focused upon Jesus’ word to him to “Come” and therefore with that Faith-Thought in Jesus’ word “Come” IN HIS MIND, Peter got out of the boat and actually walked on water.

So?

So a Faith-Thought in the mind of a human being did, in that case, give a human being the ability to walk on water.

Now if anybody can find even one (1) flaw in that up there, I would be more than willing to take a serious look at whatever anybody finds INCORRECT with what is written up there.

Best Regards.

JAG

PS

[MHGinTN]

You are still making the fundamental mistake of assigning the reqaction to the action by Peter. The Lord was present and standing upon the water when Peter stepped out of the boat while focused upon the author and finisher of Peter's faith. The action peter took was faith in His Lord, his Savior. The ability to walk upon the water was not sourced in Peter or even in Peter's faith, but in thehyper-dimensional power sourced in Christ.

As way of iollustration, consider the scene where Jesus ascends into the clouds, witnessed by avast crowd who were all believers in Him. There were Angels present from whom the ability to see the glorified Jesus came. The people witnessing His ascenscion were not the source of the ability to see hyper-dimensional reqality. The Angels who have reality in a greater dimensional coordinate system were the source of the ability.

When the event of the great departure happens, our faith will not be the source of the power to transform us. It will come from Christ/ the Holy Spirit to transform us into greater dimensional coordinate beings, then call us up into the clouds to meet the Lord int he air.

[Mark17]

Ping

[metmom]

Jesus told Peter to come.

Peter did it in obedience to a command from Jesus.

Living in obedience to something God has called you to is a walk of faith, but is not the same thing you are pushing, which is positive confession nonsense.

You deciding to do something and then trying to blackmail God into performing because you are showing faith or having “positive faith thoughts” whatever that is, are not even close to the same thing.

That is tempting God and that is forbidden by Scripture and will end in disaster.

[daniel1212]

"a Fear-thought becomes a physical thing:..it will produce Real World physical realities. You will begin to experience debilitating fear, anxiety, and frustration ~~ and if you keep on doing (1) through (6) up there, at some point the sustained fear, anxiety, and frustration will start producing Real World physical effects such as headaches, sweating, trembling, shaking, stuttering, and twitching. This ugly reality will greatly reduce your ability to get things done in Real World. "

I have just come to this thread and read replies, and i see that by now you must realize that what you describe sounds too much like the positive confession heresy even though you are not teaching that, but arguing that a life of faith or unbelief will see effects in heart and life. However, your choice of describing this as "faith-thoughts" (rather rather than believing) is a problem, for while we are to mediate on praiseworthy virtuous things, all these flow from faith in the heart, while the term "faith-thoughts" with its focus on being mind-full of thoughts themselves sounds too akin to the positive thinking heresy in which stating that you have a headache means that you are stuck with it, or that people do die in car accidents means that you are headed for one. In this you lack balance since while faith includes such things as escaping the edge of the sword, it can also been being able to endure becoming one of the literally "separated brethren."

"A Faith-thought: GOD LOVES ME AND GOD IS MY FATHER, AND MY LOVING HEAVENLY FATHER HAS PROMISED TO ALWAYS BE WITH ME, AND TO HELP ME WITH ALL MY PROBLEMS, AND HE HAS PROMISED THAT ALL MY PROBLEMS WILL EVENTUALLY BE WORKED OUT BY HIM FOR MY ULTIMATE GOOD, AND SO I LIVE MY LIFE FULLY TRUSTING IN HIM BECAUSE I KNOW HE WILL ALWAYS BE WITH ME AND TAKE GOOD CARE OF ME BECAUSE HE LOVES ME. "

True, and which faith can include,

trial of cruel mockings and scourgings,

yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:

Being stoned,

Being sawn asunder,

Being tempted,

Being slain with the sword:

Wandering about in sheepskins and goatskins;

Being destitute, afflicted, tormented; (Of whom the world was not worthy:)

Wandering wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth. (Hebrews 11:36-38)

Being troubled on every side, yet not distressed;

Being perplexed, but not in despair;

Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed;

Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.

For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus’ sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh. (2 Corinthians 4:8-11)

"The Fear-thought: BASED UPON DEMONSTRATABLE EMPIRICAL EVIDENCES, STATISTICS PROVE THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT PERCENT CHANCE THAT I WILL BE SERIOUSLY HURT DUE TO AN ACCIDENT WHILE DRIVING MY VEHICLE. Now if you do the following:...A Faith-thought: GOD LOVES ME AND GOD IS MY FATHER, AND MY LOVING HEAVENLY FATHER HAS PROMISED TO ALWAYS BE WITH ME, AND TO HELP ME WITH ALL MY PROBLEMS, AND HE HAS PROMISED THAT ALL MY PROBLEMS WILL EVENTUALLY BE WORKED OUT BY HIM FOR MY ULTIMATE GOOD, AND SO I LIVE MY LIFE FULLY TRUSTING IN HIM BECAUSE I KNOW HE WILL ALWAYS BE WITH ME AND TAKE GOOD CARE OF ME BECAUSE HE LOVES ME. "

You may get in a accident but God will be with you can make it work out for good. A mother who was a women of faith also happened to be a poor driver, and too often got in minor accidents. Yet because of her faith she would pray and God would manifestly make each event into a good thing, including for the other driver. Her children finally concluded something like, "Well, it does not matter much if Mom cannot drive too well, as long as she can pray."

[daniel1212]

"How did Peter walk on water? ~ Answer: Peter had Faith-Thoughts focused upon Jesus’ call-out to him telling him to “Come.”"

It seems you are focusing on the effect and not the cause. "Faith-Thoughts" should simply mean that Peter believed in his Lord and thus was focused on Him, and therefore was not mindful of the waves and winds while he yet walked on water. But what it does not mean is the Peter was mindful of his thoughts, being fearful of doubts, reminding himself to only think positive things, which ends up placing the focus on us, not the Object of faith. We bring every thought to the obedience of Christ (2 Corinthians 10:5) by focusing on Him by faith. Which of course, I need to do a better more consistent job of doing.