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To: Seven_0; metmom
"The desire to sin is also sin and must be dealt with before we can enter the Kingdom of God"

The proclivity to sin is a that of a fallen sinful condition, but one is not culpable for something he/she has no controlled over, and while we are affected by the choices of others, for good or evil, yet we are not punished for what others did, versus sins we are culpable for.

And rather than attaining to perfection of character via some postmortem process, hearts are purified by effectual regenerating faith(Acts 10:43; 15:7-9; Titus 3:5) which is imputed for righteousness, (Rm. 4L5) whereby one is accepted in the Beloved on His account and thereby positionally seated with Him in Heaven, (Eph. 1:6; 2:6) and will go to be forever with the Lord at death or at His return, whatever comes first. ((Lk. 23:43 [cf. 2Cor. 12:4; Rv. 2:7]; Phil 1:23; 2Cor. 5:8 [“we”]; 1Cor. 15:51ff'; 1Thess. 4:17)

"Timing is important. Sin entered by one man, what about Eve? Was Adam condemned before he ate the fruit? In Adam all die. Was Eve condemned because she was created in Adam?"

Why do you have such strange ideas are these? (But I saw your homepage.) Scripture clearly teaches that Eve sinned before Adam: "`And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression, (1 Timothy 2:14) but he was had more accountability, being her head and not being deceived, and neither was condemned before they were created.

118 posted on 06/17/2021 12:04:18 PM PDT by daniel1212 (uir)
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To: daniel1212; metmom; MHGinTN
Why do you have such strange ideas are these? (But I saw your homepage.)

There is nothing on my homepage that I cannot defend. If you want to have that conversation it would be a long one. I have found that the more you study the Bible, the bigger it gets. The typical character of scripture along with the prophetic character of history and a few verses for guidance is a good start

Romans 5:14 says that Adam is a figure of him that is to come. Ephesians 5:31-32 brings Eve into to picture as a type of the Church.
John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Which scriptures testify of Christ? I conclude that it is all scripture. It’s a book about Christ. When we read about Adam and Eve, we are also reading about Christ and the church. You pointed out the Adam was not deceived. That fits Christ. What about the church? If we say that Adam allowed Eve to be deceived, does that suggest that Christ will allow the church to be deceived? If you don’t find Christ in a passage of the Bible you are missing something.

The type is not the very image, but the Bible is a big enough book to be self-correcting. There are cults that use this method and there are myriad ways to go wrong. That is why I come to this forum. The scholarship here is amazing. People I disagree with give me good versus to look up.
128 posted on 06/17/2021 5:30:20 PM PDT by Seven_0 (You cannot fool all of the people, ever!)
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