Posted on 06/08/2021 11:45:41 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal
I’ve posted at least 3 verses above that state Christians will not be appointed to Wrath or Judgement or Tribulation.
If you don’t want to digest those and meditate on them - your call.
I’m glad I know. Others like me feel the same.
Have a nice eternity! I know I will!
Dear RWC:
You are a brother in the Lord.
But you are wrong.
Corrie Ten Boom knew better.
Blessings on You and Your House.
Shalom b’Shem Y’shua.
How long is A Day in Prophecy?
The return of Christ happens on a literal 24 hour day.
Just like we are with Christ 1000 literal years before we return to this earth.
He was talking to Jews. They were all Jews or converts. The New Covenant is made with Israel. She is the Bride of Messiah.
The Greek term apostasia means simply departure. The passage is using a non-technical word that can mean more than one thing / be used in moire than one way. The Apostaia literally means The Departure. And it can be a physical departure or a religious departure from faith. In the context of 1 Thess 4 and the opening of the section in 2 Thess 2 the meaning is best seen as a physical departure so the man of sin can be revealed. Since we the redeemed have The Holy spirit indwelling our spirits, we with He must be removed before the man of sin is reveled.
Brother esopman - love to you!
We disagree, and it’s ok.
I will say this though, the thief on the cross wasn’t even, as far as Scripture says, baptized, yet where is he now?
Oh so I guess I should just go back to sinning then, since I’m not a Jew.
So, when Jesus said he’d be in paradise today wasn’t true?
“They believed in Him so much that they ran off for their lives when He was crucified - save John.”
And yet they were still the people that Christ himself chose to entrust the gospel with to spread it to the world. I think I’ll stick with Christ’s assessment of these men rather than yours, thank you very much.
He didn’t entrust them until after Pentecost.
On the contrary! If you have believed the Gospel you have been grafted into the commonwealth of Israel; otherwise you would have no claim to the Covenant. However you are obligated to the terms of it.
B4L8r
“He didn’t entrust them until after Pentecost.”
Sure he didn’t, even though in Matthew 24, Jesus says (of his disciples, who you say weren’t Christians):
“9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.”
Seems like Jesus knew he was speaking to Christians who would be persecuted (for being Christians, persecuted in the name of Christ). Jesus can see the future as well as the past, you know.
“If you have believed the Gospel you have been grafted into the commonwealth of Israel; otherwise you would have no claim to the Covenant.”
I agree, but then the distinction that some seem to want to make as to who the “elect” are seems even more silly: “The gentile believers are Jews when we want them to be, but not when we don’t want them to be! It all depends!” is how the argument seems to me.
After the cross all who call upon the name of the Lord (Jesus, God with us) WILL be saved. During the Age of The Church of Jesus (not an org bu t a body of believers from all nations, tribes, kindred, and tongues - the redeemed seen in Rev 5), during the age of His Church The Holy Spirit ABIDES in the spirits of the redeemed. As contrast, when Adam walked the Earth BEFORE he rebelled the Spirit was upon him like a shawl, not in his human spirit. Therein is the great love of God in allowing Adam to rebel and have the 'shawl' removed so his descendants could have the Spirit within their spirit.
Harpazo is mentioned by name
2nd Coming is a description ,not specifically named,
so any argument based on 3rd coming is a moot Steadman argument.
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Rapture
separate event from
2nd coming.
Rapture
Christ comes FOR His Own
John 14:3 / 1 Thessalonians 4:17
Vs
2nd Coming
Christ comes WITH His own
Rev.19:14
Saints ARE prevailed against
Daniel 7:1
Vs.
Church NOT prevailed against
Matthew 16:18
Christ comes in the AIR
1 Thessalonians 4:17
Vs.
Christ comes to the EARTH
Christ comes FOR His BRIDE
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
Vs.
Christ comes WITH His BRIDE
Rev.19:6-14
REMOVAL ( disappearance) of believers
1 Thessalonians 4:17
Vs.
MANIFESTATION (appearance) of Christ
Malachi 4:2
ONLY His own will SEE Him
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
Vs.
EVERY eye will SEE Him
Rev.1:17 , Matthew 24:30
TRIBULATION begins
2 Thessalonians 1:6-9
Vs.
MILLENIAL KINGDOM begins
Rev.20:1-7
Saved are DELIVERED from WRATH
1 Thessalonians 1:10 , 5:9 , Rev.3:10
Vs.
Unsaved EXPERIENCE the wrath
Rev.6:12-17
NO SIGNS PRECEDE the rapture
1 Thessalonians. 5 : 1-3
Vs.
SIGNS DO PRECEDE 2nd Coming
Luke 21 : 11-18
World is DECEIVED by Satan
2 Thessalonians 2:3-12
Vs.
Satan is BOUND
Rev. 20:1-2
SUBJECT of focus : LORD and CHURCH
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
Vs
SUBJECT of focus : ISRAEL and KINGDOM
Matthew chapter 24
Imho.
strawman not steadman
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