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To: MurphsLaw
From just a few short paragraphs of his account...

Translated into modern English by Catholic apologists who have an agenda. If Transubstantiation didn't get formally defined by the Roman Catholic religion until the thirteenth century, I doubt Justin Martyr would recognize what he is credited as documenting.

12 posted on 06/01/2021 8:34:52 PM PDT by boatbums (Lord, make my life a testimony to the value of knowing you.)
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To: boatbums
I doubt Justin Martyr would recognize what he is credited as documenting.

Ok. What do you think he means then?

We do not consume the eucharistic bread and wine as if it were ordinary food and drink, FOR WE HAVE BEEN TAUGHT that as Jesus Christ our Savior became a man of flesh and blood by the power of the Word of God, SO ALSO the food that our flesh and blood assimilates for its nourishment becomes the flesh and blood of the incarnate Jesus by the power of his own words contained in the prayer of thanksgiving. (Emphasis mine)

So what do you think is going on here? So maybe there wasn't a greek or Jewish word for this new Sacrament then... what did St. Paul teach??

Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been TAUGHT, whether by word, or our epistle.

These things did not just happen on a whim - they were TAUGHT and passed down to us... How can you deny this?

This Sunday we celebrate HOLY TRINITY Sunday... where do you find the Trinity spelled out in the Bible? THAT CENTRAL DEFINITION OF GOD took centuries to develop, and it was the Church that did so - and along with many heresies to defeat in order to preserve Christ's Church unto this day.
Yes - Christ gave the Church the AUTHORITY to bind and loose these things 2000 years ago- and with the help of the advocate... we have them today to keep us on the path.

Don't deny them because you do not - or can not, agree with them... but recognize they exist, documented, for a reason... even if that reason is not yours.
14 posted on 06/02/2021 3:25:29 AM PDT by MurphsLaw ("And no man can say the Lord Jesus, but by the Holy Ghost.")
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To: boatbums
Translated into modern English by Catholic apologists who have an agenda.

LOL, really? Here's the same passage, translated by Philip Schaff (a Swiss Protestant):

And this food is called among us Εὐχαριστία [the Eucharist], of which no one is allowed to partake but the man who believes that the things which we teach are true, and who has been washed with the washing that is for the remission of sins, and unto regeneration, and who is so living as Christ has enjoined. For not as common bread and common drink do we receive these; but in like manner as Jesus Christ our Saviour, having been made flesh by the Word of God, had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so likewise have we been taught that the food which is blessed by the prayer of His word, and from which our blood and flesh by transmutation are nourished, is the flesh and blood of that Jesus who was made flesh. For the apostles, in the memoirs composed by them, which are called Gospels, have thus delivered unto us what was enjoined upon them; that Jesus took bread, and when He had given thanks, said, “This do ye in remembrance of Me, this is My body;” and that, after the same manner, having taken the cup and given thanks, He said, “This is My blood;” and gave it to them alone.

What's his "agenda"?

17 posted on 06/02/2021 10:50:56 AM PDT by Campion (What part of "shall not be infringed" don't they understand?)
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