Posted on 04/27/2021 5:25:46 AM PDT by Old Yeller
“Your understanding is very shallow. When James wrote his letter it was the first New Testament writing. The Gospels had not even been written yet.”
I think you are confused friend...James is part of the Gospels they had not been combined with other books to make the New Testament (along with the Old Testament) until the late 4th century when the Catholic Church put the true bible together with divine help. If you disagree with this, then you cannot be able to believe that the bible is divinely inspired. It doesn’t work...
The Bible speaks of each Christian’s works being tried “by the fire and those that are of Godly nature last thru the fire and those that aren’t are burned away...often called the judgment seat of Christ for the Christians in which various crowns are handed out but in the end all crowns earned are cast at the feet of Jesus...the worst of us get in “by the skin of our teeth” and the best of us will only earn a “C minus”. I think the erroneous concept of Purgatory comes from that.
The judgements are instantaneous but involves the works done by the Christian who just by being at the judgment seat of Christ shows the salvation of his or her spirit. He or she won’t lose their salvation but they will get kudos or stinkos depending on their works while alive. In the end it won’t matter since the rest of eternity will give rise for many opportunities for growth in ways we can’t begin to fathom in our present states.
As stated, you knowledge is very shallow. James wrote his letter while Jerusalem Christians and Damascus Christians were under persecution from Saul of Tarsus. He wrote to fellow Christians on how to make their ‘dead faith’ active. As a Catholic, you have been manipulated to not learn any things beyond what the ORG approves for your consumption. Paganizations like the notion your priests can hocus pocus bread into the flesh of Jesus are hallmarks of a very well designed cult, not Christianity, or elevating the Mother of Jesus to demigoddess status as a ‘co-redemtrix’.
One point I make about the apocrypha to folks is the lack of its everyday use even amongst those who claim it to be truly divine.
Just a quick survey glance at various missals, religious tomes, spoken massess,homilies, preachings and teachings will show you that the apocrypha is rarely taught or referred to or represented in the aforementioned. Oh sure one might find a reading here and there from Tobit or Wisdom or some such and 1 Maccabees is said to be accurate historically but 99 percent of the teaching examples that I survey from time to time that are in everyday use still derive from passages in the 39 main OT books and the 27 in the NT.
That is because the Holy Spirit is active and he is going to inspire messages from those works that the Spirit regards as true! It is the Spirit that searches out the deep things of God and then reveals them to our hearts.
Thank you daniel. You saved me the trouble of looking it all up again.
As for you, Wpin, YOU made the assertion that Luther removed books from the Bible without any evidence of your accusation. The burden of proof is on your head, not mine.
But I am so looking forward to your rebuttal now that the trap has closed. I predict that you’ll just call it all lies again without offering any proof of your claims.
I spent over fifty years as a Protestant...Methodist then American Baptist. You have only truly paid attention to learn about the true faith from those who are anti-Catholic. Studying Catholic catechist and the basis from the doctrines and theology as well as the doctors of the Church swayed me to realize just how shallow and lacking Protestant beliefs are. You are blind to simple concepts such as the one we are talking about here about good works and faith. One cannot have true faith, true bond to Christ and not do good works...it didn’t matter who James wrote his letter to, it is a universal concept. Jesus Christ himself was the one who stated that this is His body and he was not being metaphoric, indeed he later clarified. You are probably not aware that there have been numerous Eucharistic miracles where the wafers and wine have turned to the true flesh of Jesus (heart muscle under duress) or blood (type AB) over the centuries. Kind of like the Shroud of Turin. There is no magic involved, it is recognition and having the authority from Jesus himself that the Priests have power to do these things. We are Christianity bud, you are at best incorrect in important theological/doctrinal aspects or at worst heretical. Mary is not a demigoddess as you probably like to pretend. Mary is recognized in the Catholic Church as Jesus wants us to. Indeed, there is archeological evidence from the 1st century for Protestants to ignore. It is only in recent (lost few hundred years) that so many have lost the true faith and believe as you do. If your faith was true you would be true theologically with the bible and recognize the truth of tradition as Jesus commanded us to. But, those do not fit into Protestant thinking where you decide how God fits into your religion rather than fitting into God’s. That is the shame and danger of Protestant thinking. Each of you has equal weight in deciding what is God’s word...each are a true interpreter of God in any way that you desire. And you mock us? Grow up and get some actual learning...
Please, I posted that...but you run from proving your false assertions...do you really think daniel had a good response? I suppose at a third grade level he might sound good...but elevate yourselves, go to college so to speak and learn from Catholic source about the true Christian faith. God bless you.
The Roman Catholic religion (and it is so far from Christianity that it is indeed as Paul described an other religion') well Romanism is not Christianity for ONLY God can reconcile a dead spirit to Himself by imputing Christ's righteousness to that one so that one can even approach The Holy God. You are not born with righteousness nor can you be trained to righteousness UNTIL God reconciles you to Himself. The is no works exchange program by you that starts, or completes what ONLY God can do.
Did you know that The Word of God says we born agains will be priests and kings to our God? Being born from above is solely by the Grace of God by faith alone in Christ alone.
As a practicing catholic you have a belief that your priesthood can perform magic via magical incantation which requires Christ to come from the Throne Room to hundreds of thousands of Catholic altars to feed His flesh and blood to your adherents. That is a pagan notion incorporated into the early Christian faith by men who were carnal and not spiritual so they did not understand the spiritual Remembrance Jesus instituted the night He was betrayed.
That Passover celebration is not connected to the sarcasm Jesus used as shown in JOhn 6, but the Roman Catholic religion asserts the connection so as to empower the heretical priesthood of your religion.
My concern is your spiritual state. If you were born again sometime in the past, before being inculcated by Romanism, then you are destined to be Raptured in the near future with ALL the Church of Jesus Believers.
The concept of the three tenses or phases of Salvation might help you, if you will seek truly to understand what The Grace of God in Christ means to your spirit, for believing on Whom God has sent for your Salvation is an immediate imputation BY GOD ALONE to your dead spirit, imputation of the righteousness of Christ and God's seed within your come-alive spirit (1 John 3:9).
Yes, I believe once saved always thereafter saved. Why? Becuase ONLY God can transform your spirit from deadness to alive forever more, and He does that for believers because it glorifies The One Whom H sent, not you or me.
You are looking at the hole, not the Donut.
If Yeshua has meant Peter, the person, Yeshua would said “you ‘Petros, but Yeshua did not say “you” or “Petros”. Petros, a named derived form “petra” or “rock” but being a person NOT “a rock”. Petros (not petra) was a person, not a thing, not a “this”.
And what Yeshua said was “on this rock (petra”; not “you Petros”.
And “this rock” refers as Yeshua directly pointed out was Peter’s (Petros) answer, not Peter. And Peters answer was the correct answer the question from Yeshia - who do you say I am.
That answer was “that you are the Christ”, and THAT the answer (the belief and faith that Yeshua is the Christ”< is the “that rock” (that “petra” not ‘you Petros”) THAT Yeshua said was the foundation of His Church. That belief, not Peter.
And I’ll stand by what the Catholic Encyclopedia states. Just as the article states, the blood of Christ is insufficient to cleanse the soul. One has to add something to the finished work of Christ.
It always amazes me how Catholics seem to want to shy away from discussing the teachings of the Church, yet constantly defend the Church itself. It isn’t unlike a cult.
You have now descended into more blatant false accusations as well as irrationality. Rather than any misunderstanding at all being clear on this subject, you have utterly failed to show any at all on my part while it is I who has substantiated both Catholic as well as Biblical teaching on Purgatory.
And as for born again at baptism, that is not Scriptural since Scripture teaches and shows that it is the faith which is expressed in baptism and following the Lord that appropriates the washing of regeneration, "purifying their hearts thru faith" (Acts 10:43-47; 15:7-9) and infants (which id when most Catholics are baptized) cannot and need not repent and believe with all their heart, which are the Scriptural requirements for baptism. (Acts 2:28; 8:36,37)
Moreover, the idea that such Catholic effects regeneration makes a mockery of Scriptural regeneration with its profound basic changes in heart and life (such as I realized, praise God) considering that this is not what baptized Catholics manifest, as instead your church is overall spiritually dead. As I found out experientially.
And as "Your admission to believing in false theology is worrisome," it is your cognitive dissonance (or lying) that is worrisome, since the only admission to believing in false theology was to being a Catholic. And which I was prayerfully led out of and into evangelical fellowship by seeking to obey and serve the Lord of Scripture, thanks be to God!
Thus the call to you is to come back to the true faith, that of the NT church in which distinctive Catholic teachings are not manifest in the only wholly inspired substantive authoritative record of what the NT church believed.
Indeed, and Purgatory is not what is even taught in 2 Mac., as shown. Meanwhile according to the research by a RC cited before (Todd Easton: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3418790/posts?page=51#51) , Obadiah is never read during the 3-year RC cycle, even if one includes weekday masses, while Judges, Ruth, Esther, Song of Songs, Lamentations, Nahum, and Haggai are utterly missing in the Sunday cycle, and only 1% of Leviticus, Numbers, 2 Kings, 1 Chronicles, and Daniel are read.
Is it okay to disregard the Commandments then? I mean aren’t we to keep the commandments as best as we can? Or is that all nailed to the cross?
I think from your mindset and age that finding truth has long gone from you. Well, you best hope God has given you the opportunity to cleanse your soul of sin to purify it to be in His presence. Just magically clicking your heels together and saying Jesus forgive me all my unstated sins that I don’t really repent of but command you to forgive me...no, that won’t do it. Jesus did give power to Priests through the lineage from the apostles down all the way to today. But, you are never going to be able to understand that anymore than you can understand the bible. Baptism cleanses us from original sin, that is the main purpose of it. Then, we are born again at the second stage of baptism...confirmation. That is all biblical and indeed there is not one thing I have been able to find that Catholics have wrong in their doctrine. I cannot say the same about Protestantism...indeed, the truth is with over 20,000 different theologies of protestant thinking...it is a perversion of God’s Church at best.
At this point we are going to go around in circles as you continue to spew false doctrine based upon limited experience and thinking by Protestants many of whom have a primary purpose of trying to refute Jesus Church. Well, God Bless you...
Your Catholic ORG assertion is a bold lie from the pit of Hell, since ONLY the Blood of Christ cleanses from all sin:
Why don’t you learn what Catholic doctrine is on baptism and other theological matters from true Catholic sources before you spew out weak attempts of intellectualism by spewing out opinions of anti-Catholics on what we believe. Catholicism is the equivalent of upper level college while Protestantism is equivalent of grade school. Get curious, learn what truth it not some hodgepodge of blathering originating literally from a lunatic who had no real touch on reality.
You obviously did not learn about Catholic doctrine if you are unaware that baptism cleanses us from original sin and confirmation is our born again moment...both are intertwined perfectly to bring people to God as God created the sacraments to be. Heck, Protestants don’t actually believe in an active heaven where spirits interact with earthly spirits...it’s lunacy. Come home to the true faith daniel1212. Get well...
“Your Catholic ORG assertion is a bold lie from the pit of Hell, since ONLY the Blood of Christ cleanses from all sin:”
Yawn, you are literally boring me with your ignorance. Try studying not talking. Bye...God Bless
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